Gwent patients paying thousands to avoid NHS delays

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PATIENTS in Gwent are dipping into their life savings to fund a range of operations, rather than face delays and uncertainty on NHS waiting lists, health watchdogs have revealed.

One paid out £20,000 for a heart valve replacement after being told the waiting time would be six months, while another forked out £6,000 for treatment to deal with acute back pain and sciatic leg pain, rather than wait an estimated year for a consultant appointment and subsequent operation.

They are among a small number of responses received after Aneurin Bevan Community Health Council (CHC) asked for feedback from patients who felt delays for appointments or treatments had forced them to seek private care.

And a separate but related CHC request for patients’ experiences of delays to follow-up appointments revealed significant concerns, with patients worried about their health deteriorating, or long-term damage being caused, while waiting.

The CHC, which has reported its concerns on both issues to Aneurin Bevan Health Board, stressed that the sample of patients who felt that delays had forced them to go private was small – 13 – and therefore it was difficult to draw robust conclusions.

But five of those had raised concerns about orthopaedics, and the aforementioned example of the patient who paid £6,000 was typical.

Furthermore, an estimate of a year’s wait for a consultant appointment and treatment is way beyond the maximum 36-week waiting time target from referral by a GP to treatment (referral-to-treatment time, or RTT) set by the Welsh Government.

The latest figures, for the end of October, show that more than 2,000 patients from Gwent, across all specialities, had been waiting more than 36 weeks for treatment, among 12,281 throughout Wales.

More than 300 of these Gwent patients were waiting for treatment in other health board areas, the majority in Cardiff.

A CHC report on the issue states that patients felt “let down” by the NHS and resented having to “pay twice.”

Many patients cannot afford to seek private treatment and for others, using some of their savings because they feel they cannot endure a wait, or do not want to risk their health deteriorating, is very much a last resort.

The CHC regularly asks for patients’ feedback on NHS issues, and the 119 people who got in touch regarding follow-ups was a big response, indicating what its report calls “significant concern” about the issue.

Almost three-quarters (74 per cent) reported delays, with these ranging from two months to, in the most extreme case, more than two years.

Orthopaedics and ophthalmology were most frequently mentioned, with cardiology and urology featuring regularly.

A fuller report has been sent to the health board which has already drawn up plans to shorten delays and address the follow-ups issue.

It has declared its aim to eliminate all RTT waits of more than 36 weeks by the end of next March, though some specialities, particularly orthopaedics, are behind schedule.

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10:02am Thu 2 Jan 14

Magor says...

If you can afford it why not,free up capacity for those who cant.Just like paying more tax.
If you can afford it why not,free up capacity for those who cant.Just like paying more tax. Magor
  • Score: -6

11:27am Thu 2 Jan 14

Mervyn James says...

Ah so...... the evil Tory plan is working....
Ah so...... the evil Tory plan is working.... Mervyn James
  • Score: -5

11:46am Thu 2 Jan 14

blackandamber says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Ah so...... the evil Tory plan is working....
It's got nothing to do with the evil Tories and everything to do with the evil champagne socialists who opened the borders to every Tom,Dick and Harry
3 to 4 million in the last ten years and that's the ones we can account for. Of course now realising their treachery, former senior government ministers of the traitors Blair and Brown are back tracking at a rate of knots.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Ah so...... the evil Tory plan is working....[/p][/quote]It's got nothing to do with the evil Tories and everything to do with the evil champagne socialists who opened the borders to every Tom,Dick and Harry 3 to 4 million in the last ten years and that's the ones we can account for. Of course now realising their treachery, former senior government ministers of the traitors Blair and Brown are back tracking at a rate of knots. blackandamber
  • Score: 8

11:46am Thu 2 Jan 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Ah so...... the evil Tory plan is working....
The Welsh Assembly plan more like. Blow all the budget on subsidising Welsh language and buying airports while people rot on waiting lists. It's a devolved issue.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Ah so...... the evil Tory plan is working....[/p][/quote]The Welsh Assembly plan more like. Blow all the budget on subsidising Welsh language and buying airports while people rot on waiting lists. It's a devolved issue. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 10

12:48pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

blackandamber wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Ah so...... the evil Tory plan is working....
It's got nothing to do with the evil Tories and everything to do with the evil champagne socialists who opened the borders to every Tom,Dick and Harry
3 to 4 million in the last ten years and that's the ones we can account for. Of course now realising their treachery, former senior government ministers of the traitors Blair and Brown are back tracking at a rate of knots.
Ah but this is either not mentioned or brushed over by Socialists who blame Margaret Thatcher for everything. She probably gets blamed for Tony Bliar also.
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Ah so...... the evil Tory plan is working....[/p][/quote]It's got nothing to do with the evil Tories and everything to do with the evil champagne socialists who opened the borders to every Tom,Dick and Harry 3 to 4 million in the last ten years and that's the ones we can account for. Of course now realising their treachery, former senior government ministers of the traitors Blair and Brown are back tracking at a rate of knots.[/p][/quote]Ah but this is either not mentioned or brushed over by Socialists who blame Margaret Thatcher for everything. She probably gets blamed for Tony Bliar also. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 8

1:20pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Tosh Lines says...

I don't suppose anyone blaming the NHS demise on "the immigrants" has any stats to back their assertions up? Just for the record and all...
I don't suppose anyone blaming the NHS demise on "the immigrants" has any stats to back their assertions up? Just for the record and all... Tosh Lines
  • Score: 1

1:48pm Thu 2 Jan 14

blackandamber says...

Tosh Lines wrote:
I don't suppose anyone blaming the NHS demise on "the immigrants" has any stats to back their assertions up? Just for the record and all...
It is not a question of blaming immigrants but admitting so many people without adding to the infrastructure ie. hospitals,schools etc is always going to be a disaster, and the politicians of all colours just don't seem to grasp this.
[quote][p][bold]Tosh Lines[/bold] wrote: I don't suppose anyone blaming the NHS demise on "the immigrants" has any stats to back their assertions up? Just for the record and all...[/p][/quote]It is not a question of blaming immigrants but admitting so many people without adding to the infrastructure ie. hospitals,schools etc is always going to be a disaster, and the politicians of all colours just don't seem to grasp this. blackandamber
  • Score: 2

2:03pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

blackandamber wrote:
Tosh Lines wrote:
I don't suppose anyone blaming the NHS demise on "the immigrants" has any stats to back their assertions up? Just for the record and all...
It is not a question of blaming immigrants but admitting so many people without adding to the infrastructure ie. hospitals,schools etc is always going to be a disaster, and the politicians of all colours just don't seem to grasp this.
Interesting article here : http://www.theguardi
an.com/commentisfree
/2013/oct/27/observe
r-editorial-health-t
ourism-propaganda
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tosh Lines[/bold] wrote: I don't suppose anyone blaming the NHS demise on "the immigrants" has any stats to back their assertions up? Just for the record and all...[/p][/quote]It is not a question of blaming immigrants but admitting so many people without adding to the infrastructure ie. hospitals,schools etc is always going to be a disaster, and the politicians of all colours just don't seem to grasp this.[/p][/quote]Interesting article here : http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2013/oct/27/observe r-editorial-health-t ourism-propaganda Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 0

2:07pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Tosh Lines says...

blackandamber wrote:
Tosh Lines wrote: I don't suppose anyone blaming the NHS demise on "the immigrants" has any stats to back their assertions up? Just for the record and all...
It is not a question of blaming immigrants but admitting so many people without adding to the infrastructure ie. hospitals,schools etc is always going to be a disaster, and the politicians of all colours just don't seem to grasp this.
I think you'll find that blaming immigrants (or the "champagne socialists" who let "them" all in) is exactly what a couple of people have done, with precious little to back their rhetoric up. Scroll through the comments if you don't believe me. You may wish to start with your original post... Incidentally, you may also wish to consider that "immigrants" make up over 30% of NHS nurses and doctors. That's a fact easily verified by a quick Google search. I suspect (but admittedly have no stats to back this up, in an ironic twist) that support staff such as cleaners etc are also made up of a variety of backgrounds, and probably do jobs that "we" would rather not for the money on offer.
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tosh Lines[/bold] wrote: I don't suppose anyone blaming the NHS demise on "the immigrants" has any stats to back their assertions up? Just for the record and all...[/p][/quote]It is not a question of blaming immigrants but admitting so many people without adding to the infrastructure ie. hospitals,schools etc is always going to be a disaster, and the politicians of all colours just don't seem to grasp this.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that blaming immigrants (or the "champagne socialists" who let "them" all in) is exactly what a couple of people have done, with precious little to back their rhetoric up. Scroll through the comments if you don't believe me. You may wish to start with your original post... Incidentally, you may also wish to consider that "immigrants" make up over 30% of NHS nurses and doctors. That's a fact easily verified by a quick Google search. I suspect (but admittedly have no stats to back this up, in an ironic twist) that support staff such as cleaners etc are also made up of a variety of backgrounds, and probably do jobs that "we" would rather not for the money on offer. Tosh Lines
  • Score: 1

2:44pm Thu 2 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
blackandamber wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Ah so...... the evil Tory plan is working....
It's got nothing to do with the evil Tories and everything to do with the evil champagne socialists who opened the borders to every Tom,Dick and Harry
3 to 4 million in the last ten years and that's the ones we can account for. Of course now realising their treachery, former senior government ministers of the traitors Blair and Brown are back tracking at a rate of knots.
Ah but this is either not mentioned or brushed over by Socialists who blame Margaret Thatcher for everything. She probably gets blamed for Tony Bliar also.
No, sorry - you don't get to exonerate Thatcher just because New Labour turned out to be old Tory once the unions got smashed.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Ah so...... the evil Tory plan is working....[/p][/quote]It's got nothing to do with the evil Tories and everything to do with the evil champagne socialists who opened the borders to every Tom,Dick and Harry 3 to 4 million in the last ten years and that's the ones we can account for. Of course now realising their treachery, former senior government ministers of the traitors Blair and Brown are back tracking at a rate of knots.[/p][/quote]Ah but this is either not mentioned or brushed over by Socialists who blame Margaret Thatcher for everything. She probably gets blamed for Tony Bliar also.[/p][/quote]No, sorry - you don't get to exonerate Thatcher just because New Labour turned out to be old Tory once the unions got smashed. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 1

3:01pm Thu 2 Jan 14

blackandamber says...

Tosh Lines wrote:
blackandamber wrote:
Tosh Lines wrote: I don't suppose anyone blaming the NHS demise on "the immigrants" has any stats to back their assertions up? Just for the record and all...
It is not a question of blaming immigrants but admitting so many people without adding to the infrastructure ie. hospitals,schools etc is always going to be a disaster, and the politicians of all colours just don't seem to grasp this.
I think you'll find that blaming immigrants (or the "champagne socialists" who let "them" all in) is exactly what a couple of people have done, with precious little to back their rhetoric up. Scroll through the comments if you don't believe me. You may wish to start with your original post... Incidentally, you may also wish to consider that "immigrants" make up over 30% of NHS nurses and doctors. That's a fact easily verified by a quick Google search. I suspect (but admittedly have no stats to back this up, in an ironic twist) that support staff such as cleaners etc are also made up of a variety of backgrounds, and probably do jobs that "we" would rather not for the money on offer.
The champagne socialists are on record that their policy of unfettered immigration was "a mistake" Jack Straw and David Blunkett to name but two.
And to answer your last point If "we" would rather no take the jobs on offer, then maybe a little encouragement should be offered like cutting benefits to people who make being lazy a lifestyle choice.
[quote][p][bold]Tosh Lines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tosh Lines[/bold] wrote: I don't suppose anyone blaming the NHS demise on "the immigrants" has any stats to back their assertions up? Just for the record and all...[/p][/quote]It is not a question of blaming immigrants but admitting so many people without adding to the infrastructure ie. hospitals,schools etc is always going to be a disaster, and the politicians of all colours just don't seem to grasp this.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that blaming immigrants (or the "champagne socialists" who let "them" all in) is exactly what a couple of people have done, with precious little to back their rhetoric up. Scroll through the comments if you don't believe me. You may wish to start with your original post... Incidentally, you may also wish to consider that "immigrants" make up over 30% of NHS nurses and doctors. That's a fact easily verified by a quick Google search. I suspect (but admittedly have no stats to back this up, in an ironic twist) that support staff such as cleaners etc are also made up of a variety of backgrounds, and probably do jobs that "we" would rather not for the money on offer.[/p][/quote]The champagne socialists are on record that their policy of unfettered immigration was "a mistake" Jack Straw and David Blunkett to name but two. And to answer your last point If "we" would rather no take the jobs on offer, then maybe a little encouragement should be offered like cutting benefits to people who make being lazy a lifestyle choice. blackandamber
  • Score: 3

3:19pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Much medical aftercare is also not available on the NHS - even if it is essential. If an elderly person in early stage dementia, for instance, falls and breaks a hip it often exacerbates the existing dementia and that patient's medical condition can go downhill rapidly - within weeks, days or even hours. Result: by the time they have been discharged from hospital they are in end stage dementia, where they cannot feed themselves, go to toilet by themselves, learn to use a zimmer and are completely confused, disorientated and incontinent - meaning that they cannot go back home and have to go into a nursing home for 24-hour round the clock specialist medical care. They have no choice? Correct, and the doctors will tell you that so they have to go into these EMI homes on doctors' orders.

However, even though they have essential medical needs the NHS care stops there. Hip repairs and replacements are on the NHS but the medical aftercare is paid for by just about everything that the elderly person has - up to and including their home. Too bad if the person who cared for their elderly parent householder has nowhere else to live. The house is taken as payment irrespective if someone else is living there - and as the average cost of residential fees in a care home is around £30,000 per annum (in excess of what it costs to send a child to a top public school like Eton) most elderly people's assets if they are comprised of their average c. £80,000 Newport terraced house soon run out. Then the state will (most begrudgingly) cough up the minimum amount possible to pay for the care of a helpless dementia patient.

You see, although conditions like Alzheimer's and Vascular Dementia are organic brain diseases (brain cancers, if you like) the powers-that-be made sure they were classified as purely psychological conditions instead of physical - a neat, little wordplay meaning that the NHS didn't have to fork out the extortionate cost of elderly medical aftercare in the UK and also meaning that care home owners (not the minimum-wage staff) get to reap in the massive profits.

Be warned: first they came for the dementia patients and nobody who had experience of a close, loved one with dementia did anything because there is a widespread lack of information and awareness about what dementia actually is. Now they have been doing the unthinkable for several decades by violating the central 'cradle to grave' ethic that was the backbone ethos of the original formation of the NHS, their confidence has grown manifold and they will widen their tactics to declassify more disease and medical conditions as 'non-essential' and therefore payable by the sufferer and their families.
Much medical aftercare is also not available on the NHS - even if it is essential. If an elderly person in early stage dementia, for instance, falls and breaks a hip it often exacerbates the existing dementia and that patient's medical condition can go downhill rapidly - within weeks, days or even hours. Result: by the time they have been discharged from hospital they are in end stage dementia, where they cannot feed themselves, go to toilet by themselves, learn to use a zimmer and are completely confused, disorientated and incontinent - meaning that they cannot go back home and have to go into a nursing home for 24-hour round the clock specialist medical care. They have no choice? Correct, and the doctors will tell you that so they have to go into these EMI homes on doctors' orders. However, even though they have essential medical needs the NHS care stops there. Hip repairs and replacements are on the NHS but the medical aftercare is paid for by just about everything that the elderly person has - up to and including their home. Too bad if the person who cared for their elderly parent householder has nowhere else to live. The house is taken as payment irrespective if someone else is living there - and as the average cost of residential fees in a care home is around £30,000 per annum (in excess of what it costs to send a child to a top public school like Eton) most elderly people's assets if they are comprised of their average c. £80,000 Newport terraced house soon run out. Then the state will (most begrudgingly) cough up the minimum amount possible to pay for the care of a helpless dementia patient. You see, although conditions like Alzheimer's and Vascular Dementia are organic brain diseases (brain cancers, if you like) the powers-that-be made sure they were classified as purely psychological conditions instead of physical - a neat, little wordplay meaning that the NHS didn't have to fork out the extortionate cost of elderly medical aftercare in the UK and also meaning that care home owners (not the minimum-wage staff) get to reap in the massive profits. Be warned: first they came for the dementia patients and nobody who had experience of a close, loved one with dementia did anything because there is a widespread lack of information and awareness about what dementia actually is. Now they have been doing the unthinkable for several decades by violating the central 'cradle to grave' ethic that was the backbone ethos of the original formation of the NHS, their confidence has grown manifold and they will widen their tactics to declassify more disease and medical conditions as 'non-essential' and therefore payable by the sufferer and their families. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 2

10:23pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Floppy backed says...

Nothing to do with the increase in population or the number of elderly then? What about those people who seem to think the NHS is free and all those 'free' prescriptions that are being wasted or shipped abroad (would like to see the evidence that the Welsh have improved their health).

What about people taking health more seriously - binge drinking, obesity, drug takers, persistent baby droppers? All these drain the NHS.

It cant go on being abused, perhaps part privately funded would boost peoples attitude that this is not a 'free service' paid for by the tax payers.
Nothing to do with the increase in population or the number of elderly then? What about those people who seem to think the NHS is free and all those 'free' prescriptions that are being wasted or shipped abroad (would like to see the evidence that the Welsh have improved their health). What about people taking health more seriously - binge drinking, obesity, drug takers, persistent baby droppers? All these drain the NHS. It cant go on being abused, perhaps part privately funded would boost peoples attitude that this is not a 'free service' paid for by the tax payers. Floppy backed
  • Score: 1

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