Changes mean 4-year-olds could have to walk to school

Free Press Series: CHANGES: Torfaen school transport CHANGES: Torfaen school transport

CHANGES to Torfaen council’s free school and college transport provision - which will see children as young as four having to walk two miles to school each way in all weathers - have been agreed.

All councils in Wales are legally required to provide free home to school transport for young people who meet specific criteria - usually those not living within walking distance of their catchment schools.

But following approval by the cabinet on Monday the distances pupils will have to walk are increasing, from 1.5 miles for children less than eight years to two miles, and from two miles for children aged eight or above to three miles.

The decision to proceed was taken by the cabinet despite consultation results which indicated that 85 per cent of parents didn’t agree with the primary school mileage changes, and that 80 per cent didn’t agree with secondary school changes.

For post-16 learners, the entitlement will change from two to three miles.

The proposed changes are due to take effect from September 2015.

The current school transport policy in Torfaen had previously been more generous than the bare minimum, defined by law.

The School and Post 16 Transport Review consultation ran on March 3 for six weeks.

A survey questionnaire was completed by 78 parents or carers and 43 questionnaires by young people.

Concerns were also raised about weather conditions in the north of the borough making it difficult to walk to and from school.

The change in policy will result in annual savings of £230,000 - and invested into the 21st Century Schools programme, which seeks to improve school buildings.

Cabinet agreed the new mileage criteria and that it be phased in. It will only be applied to new applications for reception, year seven, or year 12 for the start of the 2015 academic year.

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9:48am Fri 23 May 14

hissartist says...

Yet another example of TCBC making a mockery of the consultation process!!
Yet another example of TCBC making a mockery of the consultation process!! hissartist
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9:51am Fri 23 May 14

davies22 says...

This is pathetic
This is pathetic davies22
  • Score: 3

10:13am Fri 23 May 14

swrxp09 says...

Close local schools and then up the distance for school transport, great idea TBC. That should help keep the traffic down.
Close local schools and then up the distance for school transport, great idea TBC. That should help keep the traffic down. swrxp09
  • Score: 1

10:39am Fri 23 May 14

manager111 says...

GOOD! this will mean some of those obese mothers, will have to get changed out of their pyjama's every morning, and walk there kids to school. Guaranteed this will mean a lot more kids missing school, because their mothers will not get out of bed to take them to school.
GOOD! this will mean some of those obese mothers, will have to get changed out of their pyjama's every morning, and walk there kids to school. Guaranteed this will mean a lot more kids missing school, because their mothers will not get out of bed to take them to school. manager111
  • Score: 0

10:50am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

It's expensive having children and to be honest if you're working and you can't afford that few quid for the bus, you maybe shouldn't have had children in the first place. It's not compulsory. If the man and woman don't work then very definitely no children.
It's expensive having children and to be honest if you're working and you can't afford that few quid for the bus, you maybe shouldn't have had children in the first place. It's not compulsory. If the man and woman don't work then very definitely no children. Dai Rear
  • Score: 3

11:10am Fri 23 May 14

davies22 says...

manager111 wrote:
GOOD! this will mean some of those obese mothers, will have to get changed out of their pyjama's every morning, and walk there kids to school. Guaranteed this will mean a lot more kids missing school, because their mothers will not get out of bed to take them to school.
Yer ai all those mothers will drag there other babies out in this weather, and plus what about working mothers? there is enough time to walk there kids to school and then get to work on time? And why do you assume single non working parents are obese? the bus service is very helpful to people with different circumstances
[quote][p][bold]manager111[/bold] wrote: GOOD! this will mean some of those obese mothers, will have to get changed out of their pyjama's every morning, and walk there kids to school. Guaranteed this will mean a lot more kids missing school, because their mothers will not get out of bed to take them to school.[/p][/quote]Yer ai all those mothers will drag there other babies out in this weather, and plus what about working mothers? there is enough time to walk there kids to school and then get to work on time? And why do you assume single non working parents are obese? the bus service is very helpful to people with different circumstances davies22
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11:53am Fri 23 May 14

Woodgnome says...

Shock, horror!! Kids having to walk!!
Shock, horror!! Kids having to walk!! Woodgnome
  • Score: 3

12:59pm Fri 23 May 14

displayed says...

Doesnt that mean the parents have gotta walk with em.
Who would send a 4yr old to school alone!

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Doesnt that mean the parents have gotta walk with em. Who would send a 4yr old to school alone! Age Country Four Northern Ireland Five Cyprus , England, Malta, Scotland, Wales Six Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Republic of Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland, Turkey Seven Bulgaria , Estonia, Finland, Latvia , Lithuania , Poland , Serbia, Sweden displayed
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2:59pm Fri 23 May 14

-trigg- says...

Oh no! Some children (and their parents) will have to actually get some exercise on their way to school in the mornings.

If we're not careful, Wales could lose the title of 'Least Healthy Country in the UK' to Scotland. Something must be done immediately!

The maximum distance a child would be expected to walk is 3 miles, which should take them no more than half an hour.
Oh no! Some children (and their parents) will have to actually get some exercise on their way to school in the mornings. If we're not careful, Wales could lose the title of 'Least Healthy Country in the UK' to Scotland. Something must be done immediately! The maximum distance a child would be expected to walk is 3 miles, which should take them no more than half an hour. -trigg-
  • Score: -1

3:01pm Fri 23 May 14

jimmysmith says...

theres a few ways i could think of saving this money without making four year old toddlers walk miles in adverse weather .one of the ways would be to sack a few of those deluded free loaders on the council
theres a few ways i could think of saving this money without making four year old toddlers walk miles in adverse weather .one of the ways would be to sack a few of those deluded free loaders on the council jimmysmith
  • Score: 12

9:13pm Fri 23 May 14

mbartlett says...

I find the figures of how many parents responded hard to believe - until I remembered how the FIRST round of consultation was disregarded due to an 'internal error' of some sort. So only those parents who were notified and took part a second time were counted. Beautiful slight of hand, boys, you should be in politics.
I find the figures of how many parents responded hard to believe - until I remembered how the FIRST round of consultation was disregarded due to an 'internal error' of some sort. So only those parents who were notified and took part a second time were counted. Beautiful slight of hand, boys, you should be in politics. mbartlett
  • Score: -1

9:52pm Fri 23 May 14

Lliswerry Man says...

Well I blame whoever it was that allowed people to choose to take their children out of their local catchment areas to a school of their choice, pure snobery in most cases...... in our area, I know of a few parents who have a school just in the next street to them, but drive a few miles to go to a school of their choice.........
This then means local children do not get a place and local authorities are then having to cover transport costs to get these children to the next nearest school. Then we have the added traffic at the local schools.

As others have stated, not a problem walking children to school if possible, but when you drop children off on your way to work, or have a bus collection to tie in with your work commitments, these kind of changes are drastic and dire.

As for the Manager111, they clearly have too much time on their hands watching Jeremy Kyle and by their statement alone, it shows what a closed mind they clearly have.
Well I blame whoever it was that allowed people to choose to take their children out of their local catchment areas to a school of their choice, pure snobery in most cases...... in our area, I know of a few parents who have a school just in the next street to them, but drive a few miles to go to a school of their choice......... This then means local children do not get a place and local authorities are then having to cover transport costs to get these children to the next nearest school. Then we have the added traffic at the local schools. As others have stated, not a problem walking children to school if possible, but when you drop children off on your way to work, or have a bus collection to tie in with your work commitments, these kind of changes are drastic and dire. As for the Manager111, they clearly have too much time on their hands watching Jeremy Kyle and by their statement alone, it shows what a closed mind they clearly have. Lliswerry Man
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10:00pm Fri 23 May 14

jimmysmith says...

manager111 wrote:
GOOD! this will mean some of those obese mothers, will have to get changed out of their pyjama's every morning, and walk there kids to school. Guaranteed this will mean a lot more kids missing school, because their mothers will not get out of bed to take them to school.
and the thought that maybe just a few of those mothers might be overweight because of illness or disability .because you do know that disabled women can and do have children and of course because of your arrogance and ignorance and your mummy having a trim athletic figure and probably you went to boarding school and then straight into the hitler youth .that the the thought never entered your head .did it ?.
[quote][p][bold]manager111[/bold] wrote: GOOD! this will mean some of those obese mothers, will have to get changed out of their pyjama's every morning, and walk there kids to school. Guaranteed this will mean a lot more kids missing school, because their mothers will not get out of bed to take them to school.[/p][/quote]and the thought that maybe just a few of those mothers might be overweight because of illness or disability .because you do know that disabled women can and do have children and of course because of your arrogance and ignorance and your mummy having a trim athletic figure and probably you went to boarding school and then straight into the hitler youth .that the the thought never entered your head .did it ?. jimmysmith
  • Score: 3

10:06pm Fri 23 May 14

jimmysmith says...

-trigg- wrote:
Oh no! Some children (and their parents) will have to actually get some exercise on their way to school in the mornings.

If we're not careful, Wales could lose the title of 'Least Healthy Country in the UK' to Scotland. Something must be done immediately!

The maximum distance a child would be expected to walk is 3 miles, which should take them no more than half an hour.
an average fit adult walks 3 miles a hour . so where do you get your figures from ? Theres not a toddler in the country pal that will walk 3 miles in half hour .i got to say your username .TRIGG was a great choice .did you choose it ,or some one who knows you well enough suggest it to you
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: Oh no! Some children (and their parents) will have to actually get some exercise on their way to school in the mornings. If we're not careful, Wales could lose the title of 'Least Healthy Country in the UK' to Scotland. Something must be done immediately! The maximum distance a child would be expected to walk is 3 miles, which should take them no more than half an hour.[/p][/quote]an average fit adult walks 3 miles a hour . so where do you get your figures from ? Theres not a toddler in the country pal that will walk 3 miles in half hour .i got to say your username .TRIGG was a great choice .did you choose it ,or some one who knows you well enough suggest it to you jimmysmith
  • Score: 7

9:42am Sat 24 May 14

Dano1967 says...

Obviously the person who come up with this idea has never had the privilege of trying to get a four year old to walk a few miles.
Obviously the person who come up with this idea has never had the privilege of trying to get a four year old to walk a few miles. Dano1967
  • Score: 0

5:21pm Sat 24 May 14

Cymreigiwr says...

Few people have the time to walk their youngsters more than a mile or so to school, so the kids who lose their bus travel because of this change are likely to be driven to school. £230K a year sounds like a lot of money, but I wonder what the consequent cost might be, in fuel, traffic congestion, pollution, lost time/productivity, from all the parents transporting their kids to school separately instead? What about the gridlock and mayhem around the schools twice a day? It's a disgrace that councils are struggling to find money to maintain sensible services like this one.
Few people have the time to walk their youngsters more than a mile or so to school, so the kids who lose their bus travel because of this change are likely to be driven to school. £230K a year sounds like a lot of money, but I wonder what the consequent cost might be, in fuel, traffic congestion, pollution, lost time/productivity, from all the parents transporting their kids to school separately instead? What about the gridlock and mayhem around the schools twice a day? It's a disgrace that councils are struggling to find money to maintain sensible services like this one. Cymreigiwr
  • Score: 4

11:50am Sun 25 May 14

sarahcwmbran says...

Good never hurt my grandparent s in the olden days when they walked miles to school. The people theses days r just lazy. And as for working mothers, most business are flexible when they know you have children.
Good never hurt my grandparent s in the olden days when they walked miles to school. The people theses days r just lazy. And as for working mothers, most business are flexible when they know you have children. sarahcwmbran
  • Score: -5

3:30pm Sun 25 May 14

jimmysmith says...

sarahcwmbran wrote:
Good never hurt my grandparent s in the olden days when they walked miles to school. The people theses days r just lazy. And as for working mothers, most business are flexible when they know you have children.
yeah yeah in the good ole olden days .here we go .lots of us grew up in the olden days as well with dripping on toast for breakfast and your jeans quickly aired in front of the fire in the morning before youd put them on .but in the olden days there was infant and junior schools in every village and every hamlet and schools buses in them days were out in fleets going to and coming from secondary and grammar schools .the need for buses for toddlers etc came about when the useless good for nothing welsh assembly came into being and set about closing all the rural infants schools .in the olden days as you put it most all kids lived with in a stones throw of the school they attended
[quote][p][bold]sarahcwmbran[/bold] wrote: Good never hurt my grandparent s in the olden days when they walked miles to school. The people theses days r just lazy. And as for working mothers, most business are flexible when they know you have children.[/p][/quote]yeah yeah in the good ole olden days .here we go .lots of us grew up in the olden days as well with dripping on toast for breakfast and your jeans quickly aired in front of the fire in the morning before youd put them on .but in the olden days there was infant and junior schools in every village and every hamlet and schools buses in them days were out in fleets going to and coming from secondary and grammar schools .the need for buses for toddlers etc came about when the useless good for nothing welsh assembly came into being and set about closing all the rural infants schools .in the olden days as you put it most all kids lived with in a stones throw of the school they attended jimmysmith
  • Score: 4

10:33am Mon 26 May 14

3kidsandnomore says...

-trigg- wrote:
Oh no! Some children (and their parents) will have to actually get some exercise on their way to school in the mornings.

If we're not careful, Wales could lose the title of 'Least Healthy Country in the UK' to Scotland. Something must be done immediately!

The maximum distance a child would be expected to walk is 3 miles, which should take them no more than half an hour.
Are you for real!
My son attends Abersychan comp..for him to walk to school would take him an hour...where do you get half an hour from?
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: Oh no! Some children (and their parents) will have to actually get some exercise on their way to school in the mornings. If we're not careful, Wales could lose the title of 'Least Healthy Country in the UK' to Scotland. Something must be done immediately! The maximum distance a child would be expected to walk is 3 miles, which should take them no more than half an hour.[/p][/quote]Are you for real! My son attends Abersychan comp..for him to walk to school would take him an hour...where do you get half an hour from? 3kidsandnomore
  • Score: 0

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