Pupils at Pontypool's Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw tell of anger at £80 bus price hike

BUS CHARGES: Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw pupils Hannah Howells (left) and Charlotte Hyde (right), who face a more expensive journey

BUS CHARGES: Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw pupils Hannah Howells (left) and Charlotte Hyde (right), who face a more expensive journey

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YOUNGSTERS attending Gwent’s only Welsh secondary school which accepts pupils from out of county are calling for Newport council officers to meet them over a three-fold hike in bus fees.

Hannah Howells and Charlotte Hyde, both 16, from Newport, have been educated in the medium of Welsh since they were four and wish to carry on to sixth form in their chosen language at Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw in Pontypool.

But they were left angry and confused when, on July 2, they received letters from Newport council notifying them of new transport charges, priced at £347 a year – up from £80 last year, they say.

The first instalment is due at the end of this month. The cost comes despite a £150 travel grant from the council.

Efforts to write to and contact Newport council via social media have not worked, say the pair, who want to meet officers along with their classmates to discuss the issue.

“It came as a massive shock, there was no warning,” said Miss Howells, who has finished her GCSEs and plans to go onto sixth form in order to become a Welsh teacher.

“The council didn’t say why it has gone up so much. It was a fair amount last year.

“We want to carry on learning in the medium of Welsh,” said Miss Howells, who estimates around 50 pupils travel daily from Newport to Pontypool.

“We have two sets of twins in our year whose parents will have to pay £694 alone per year for transport and there are two years of sixth form. If we want to carry on in Welsh medium education we have no choice, Gwynllyw is the only school.

“The council is ignoring us, they haven’t given any advice on how to afford this,” she said. “A similar thing happened in Merthyr Tydfil and Swansea and the councils cancelled the increase. We don’t expect Newport council to cancel the whole amount but how are we meant to pay this?

“It’s our career and our future that’s going to be affected by this. It’s a stupid decision.”

Miss Hyde said it would be a struggle for her and her peers to switch to English for their A-levels at a closer Newport sixth form or college, as they’ve spent years learning technical terminology in Welsh.

Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw is expected to be full by 2017 and Gwent’s councils are currently looking at options for building a new secondary school elsewhere.

A spokeswoman for Newport City Council understands that some students may have been affected by an increase in the cost of their school transport, but it is only fair for all pupils to pay the same amount to access post-16 education provided by the council.

This change in fees had to be made as part of Newport City Council’s requirement to save £25 million over three years, and was one of over 100 savings implemented for this financial year in order to save nearly £9 million.

Councillor Debbie Wilcox, Newport City Council’s cabinet member for education said: “There is never the right time to increase prices, and we understand that central austerity measures are causing hardships to our residents and pupils too.

“That is why I will oversee a phased implementation of this programme which means that the current level of subsidy is not removed in full until September 2017.

“I will also be looking at a hardship fund for those students who are most affected by the changes.”

The spokeswoman added all post-16 students who qualify for home to school transport assistance are still eligible to receive a discretionary travel grant of £150 per academic year towards the actual cost of their travel to and from school.

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8:42am Thu 17 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Do they want us to pay for their transport then?
Do they want us to pay for their transport then? Llanmartinangel
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9:04am Thu 17 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Do they want us to pay for their transport then?
Probably
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: Do they want us to pay for their transport then?[/p][/quote]Probably Bobevans
  • Score: -5

9:08am Thu 17 Jul 14

warneboy says...

Free transport for all pupils. Funded by 10p charge for over 60s
Free transport for all pupils. Funded by 10p charge for over 60s warneboy
  • Score: 1

9:39am Thu 17 Jul 14

Nospin_1 says...

If they can't cope with the worldwide English technical terminology how are they going to get a job?
If they can't cope with the worldwide English technical terminology how are they going to get a job? Nospin_1
  • Score: 7

9:49am Thu 17 Jul 14

Roger Elliot says...

Good for them sticking up for themselves against the imbecilic tactics of idiotic bus companies who think price-hikes and service-slashing is the answer to everything.
Good for them sticking up for themselves against the imbecilic tactics of idiotic bus companies who think price-hikes and service-slashing is the answer to everything. Roger Elliot
  • Score: 5

9:51am Thu 17 Jul 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love. Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: 4

10:00am Thu 17 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Spot on. Ps Can someone subsidise my lifestyle choice of sending my kids to private school please?
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Ps Can someone subsidise my lifestyle choice of sending my kids to private school please? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

10:17am Thu 17 Jul 14

myopinion1988 says...

If you chose to send your children to a school that isn't in the catchment area then how can you expect the council to cover the cost of the travel!!

your choice your problem!!
If you chose to send your children to a school that isn't in the catchment area then how can you expect the council to cover the cost of the travel!! your choice your problem!! myopinion1988
  • Score: 21

10:33am Thu 17 Jul 14

grandmammamia says...

myopinion1988 wrote:
If you chose to send your children to a school that isn't in the catchment area then how can you expect the council to cover the cost of the travel!! your choice your problem!!
Agree.

I would prefer the council to spend the money on resources for their schools.
[quote][p][bold]myopinion1988[/bold] wrote: If you chose to send your children to a school that isn't in the catchment area then how can you expect the council to cover the cost of the travel!! your choice your problem!![/p][/quote]Agree. I would prefer the council to spend the money on resources for their schools. grandmammamia
  • Score: 20

11:38am Thu 17 Jul 14

displayed says...

Er, in what industry is "learning technical terminology in Welsh." used................
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Er, in what industry is "learning technical terminology in Welsh." used................ .. displayed
  • Score: -4

12:20pm Thu 17 Jul 14

mvaone says...

Roger Elliot wrote:
Good for them sticking up for themselves against the imbecilic tactics of idiotic bus companies who think price-hikes and service-slashing is the answer to everything.
Newport transport is owned and run by the council so blame them
[quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: Good for them sticking up for themselves against the imbecilic tactics of idiotic bus companies who think price-hikes and service-slashing is the answer to everything.[/p][/quote]Newport transport is owned and run by the council so blame them mvaone
  • Score: -6

1:35pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Bethanmoore123 says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education. Bethanmoore123
  • Score: 14

1:43pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
Any language that has had £billions spent on it in ten years yet is still in decline may not be actually dead but the hugely expensive life support machine isn't working. Let me guess, is your new job being paid out of taxes?
[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]Any language that has had £billions spent on it in ten years yet is still in decline may not be actually dead but the hugely expensive life support machine isn't working. Let me guess, is your new job being paid out of taxes? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -17

1:47pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Bethanmoore123 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
Any language that has had £billions spent on it in ten years yet is still in decline may not be actually dead but the hugely expensive life support machine isn't working. Let me guess, is your new job being paid out of taxes?
Does it matter how much is spent on it! It's the language of our country! Children shouldn't be deprived of the advantage and pride of being able to their own country's language.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]Any language that has had £billions spent on it in ten years yet is still in decline may not be actually dead but the hugely expensive life support machine isn't working. Let me guess, is your new job being paid out of taxes?[/p][/quote]Does it matter how much is spent on it! It's the language of our country! Children shouldn't be deprived of the advantage and pride of being able to their own country's language. Bethanmoore123
  • Score: 10

2:11pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
Any language that has had £billions spent on it in ten years yet is still in decline may not be actually dead but the hugely expensive life support machine isn't working. Let me guess, is your new job being paid out of taxes?
Does it matter how much is spent on it! It's the language of our country! Children shouldn't be deprived of the advantage and pride of being able to their own country's language.
The country is the UK (Wales never was), and it matters when people are dying on waiting lists for the want of those £billions. It also matters that parents who don't want their kids taught Welsh are denied that choice yet are asked to subsidise a minority. Of 1.4 million Welsh customers of National Savings only 107 opted to use their Welsh Language service. How dead do you want?
http://www.languaget
rainers.co.uk/blog/2
013/04/01/government
-agency-ceasing-use-
of-welsh-language/
[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]Any language that has had £billions spent on it in ten years yet is still in decline may not be actually dead but the hugely expensive life support machine isn't working. Let me guess, is your new job being paid out of taxes?[/p][/quote]Does it matter how much is spent on it! It's the language of our country! Children shouldn't be deprived of the advantage and pride of being able to their own country's language.[/p][/quote]The country is the UK (Wales never was), and it matters when people are dying on waiting lists for the want of those £billions. It also matters that parents who don't want their kids taught Welsh are denied that choice yet are asked to subsidise a minority. Of 1.4 million Welsh customers of National Savings only 107 opted to use their Welsh Language service. How dead do you want? http://www.languaget rainers.co.uk/blog/2 013/04/01/government -agency-ceasing-use- of-welsh-language/ Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -2

2:37pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English.

I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area.

Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education".
[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English. I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area. Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education". Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: 15

2:48pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Roger Elliot says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school!
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school! Roger Elliot
  • Score: -13

2:55pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Roger Elliot wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school!
Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think?

http://www.languaget
rainers.co.uk/blog/2
013/04/01/government
-agency-ceasing-use-
of-welsh-language/
[quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school![/p][/quote]Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think? http://www.languaget rainers.co.uk/blog/2 013/04/01/government -agency-ceasing-use- of-welsh-language/ Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -3

3:03pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Bethanmoore123 says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English.

I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area.

Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education".
No not many parents can afford £300, you could ask many single parents I can assure not every single one would be able to pay a ridiculous amount like that. Even if the welsh school is out of their catchment area. It has been rated much better than many schools in newport! So as a parent wanting the way for their child what wrong with sending them to a better school? Their asking for the prices to be cut little, I'm sorry but so much money gets spend on people who are not willing to work, and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English. I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area. Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education".[/p][/quote]No not many parents can afford £300, you could ask many single parents I can assure not every single one would be able to pay a ridiculous amount like that. Even if the welsh school is out of their catchment area. It has been rated much better than many schools in newport! So as a parent wanting the way for their child what wrong with sending them to a better school? Their asking for the prices to be cut little, I'm sorry but so much money gets spend on people who are not willing to work, and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves. Bethanmoore123
  • Score: 2

3:06pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Bethanmoore123 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Roger Elliot wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school!
Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think?

http://www.languaget

rainers.co.uk/blog/2

013/04/01/government

-agency-ceasing-use-

of-welsh-language/
If the language is so "dead" then why is Gwynllyw currently full and a new welsh school is being opened in newport? There is such a high demand for children to learn the language!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school![/p][/quote]Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think? http://www.languaget rainers.co.uk/blog/2 013/04/01/government -agency-ceasing-use- of-welsh-language/[/p][/quote]If the language is so "dead" then why is Gwynllyw currently full and a new welsh school is being opened in newport? There is such a high demand for children to learn the language! Bethanmoore123
  • Score: 2

3:07pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Roger Elliot wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school!
Incidentally, how 'racism'? It isn't a 'race' for a start and it's a discussion about language and public spending priorities. And if someone living in the region currently known as Wales criticises how their taxes (that they pay here) are spent, then isn't that overuse of the already massively overused 'R' word to an unprecedented extreme?
[quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school![/p][/quote]Incidentally, how 'racism'? It isn't a 'race' for a start and it's a discussion about language and public spending priorities. And if someone living in the region currently known as Wales criticises how their taxes (that they pay here) are spent, then isn't that overuse of the already massively overused 'R' word to an unprecedented extreme? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -4

3:09pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Bethanmoore123 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Roger Elliot wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school!
Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think?

http://www.languaget

rainers.co.uk/blog/2

013/04/01/government

-agency-ceasing-use-

of-welsh-language/
If the language is so "dead" then why is Gwynllyw currently full and a new welsh school is being opened in newport? There is such a high demand for children to learn the language!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school![/p][/quote]Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think? http://www.languaget rainers.co.uk/blog/2 013/04/01/government -agency-ceasing-use- of-welsh-language/[/p][/quote]If the language is so "dead" then why is Gwynllyw currently full and a new welsh school is being opened in newport? There is such a high demand for children to learn the language! Bethanmoore123
  • Score: 0

3:09pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Roger Elliot wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school!
Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think?

http://www.languaget


rainers.co.uk/blog/2


013/04/01/government


-agency-ceasing-use-


of-welsh-language/
If the language is so "dead" then why is Gwynllyw currently full and a new welsh school is being opened in newport? There is such a high demand for children to learn the language!
A fashion statement for parents with odd senses of priority perhaps. And you still haven't said which taxpayer funded job nor explained away the actual usage stats.
[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school![/p][/quote]Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think? http://www.languaget rainers.co.uk/blog/2 013/04/01/government -agency-ceasing-use- of-welsh-language/[/p][/quote]If the language is so "dead" then why is Gwynllyw currently full and a new welsh school is being opened in newport? There is such a high demand for children to learn the language![/p][/quote]A fashion statement for parents with odd senses of priority perhaps. And you still haven't said which taxpayer funded job nor explained away the actual usage stats. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -8

3:23pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Stevenboy says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English.

I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area.

Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education".
No not many parents can afford £300, you could ask many single parents I can assure not every single one would be able to pay a ridiculous amount like that. Even if the welsh school is out of their catchment area. It has been rated much better than many schools in newport! So as a parent wanting the way for their child what wrong with sending them to a better school? Their asking for the prices to be cut little, I'm sorry but so much money gets spend on people who are not willing to work, and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves.
and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves'

But they aren't. If they were they'd learn a language spoken by hundreds of millions like French, Spanish or Mandarin, not one that's spoken as a hobby by around 100,00 people tops and used in business by no-one at all. The only job Welsh will buy you is one with a fat taxpayer subsidy stuck to it. Hardly a career choice.
[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English. I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area. Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education".[/p][/quote]No not many parents can afford £300, you could ask many single parents I can assure not every single one would be able to pay a ridiculous amount like that. Even if the welsh school is out of their catchment area. It has been rated much better than many schools in newport! So as a parent wanting the way for their child what wrong with sending them to a better school? Their asking for the prices to be cut little, I'm sorry but so much money gets spend on people who are not willing to work, and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves.[/p][/quote]and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves' But they aren't. If they were they'd learn a language spoken by hundreds of millions like French, Spanish or Mandarin, not one that's spoken as a hobby by around 100,00 people tops and used in business by no-one at all. The only job Welsh will buy you is one with a fat taxpayer subsidy stuck to it. Hardly a career choice. Stevenboy
  • Score: 4

3:35pm Thu 17 Jul 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

You could probably buy a decent bicycle for £350. Would last you longer than the year too...
You could probably buy a decent bicycle for £350. Would last you longer than the year too... GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 15

4:24pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English.

I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area.

Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education".
No not many parents can afford £300, you could ask many single parents I can assure not every single one would be able to pay a ridiculous amount like that. Even if the welsh school is out of their catchment area. It has been rated much better than many schools in newport! So as a parent wanting the way for their child what wrong with sending them to a better school? Their asking for the prices to be cut little, I'm sorry but so much money gets spend on people who are not willing to work, and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves.
I am sure that every parent in the land wants the best possible education for their children. Unfortunately, not every parent can logistically send their children to specialist schools miles away from home, and an equal number can't afford to.

I would love a brand new sports car to drive around in at the weekends, but as it happens it's not practical with my home situation, and it's also not affordable. Who is going to chip in to help me realise my dream; any takers?
[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English. I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area. Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education".[/p][/quote]No not many parents can afford £300, you could ask many single parents I can assure not every single one would be able to pay a ridiculous amount like that. Even if the welsh school is out of their catchment area. It has been rated much better than many schools in newport! So as a parent wanting the way for their child what wrong with sending them to a better school? Their asking for the prices to be cut little, I'm sorry but so much money gets spend on people who are not willing to work, and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves.[/p][/quote]I am sure that every parent in the land wants the best possible education for their children. Unfortunately, not every parent can logistically send their children to specialist schools miles away from home, and an equal number can't afford to. I would love a brand new sports car to drive around in at the weekends, but as it happens it's not practical with my home situation, and it's also not affordable. Who is going to chip in to help me realise my dream; any takers? Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: 14

4:55pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Gaerian says...

Pump ar ugain mylnedd yn ol , es I I ysgol tua 2 milltr o fyn nhartref yng Nhasnewydd. Talais I 55c I teithio ar y bws yn y bore ac yr un I ddod adref. Dros y blwyddyn gwarias I bron £200 ar y bws.
Mae £200 yn 1989 yn gafartal £460 heddiw (cyfeiriad y 2004 paper ‘Consumer Price Inflation Since 1750’)
Wi’n meddwl bod £347 yw pris dda!!

In summary 25 yrs ago it was £1.10 a day on the school bus. = £200 a year in 1989. This is £460 after inflation in 2014. £347 is a good deal.!!
Pump ar ugain mylnedd yn ol , es I I ysgol tua 2 milltr o fyn nhartref yng Nhasnewydd. Talais I 55c I teithio ar y bws yn y bore ac yr un I ddod adref. Dros y blwyddyn gwarias I bron £200 ar y bws. Mae £200 yn 1989 yn gafartal £460 heddiw (cyfeiriad y 2004 paper ‘Consumer Price Inflation Since 1750’) Wi’n meddwl bod £347 yw pris dda!! In summary 25 yrs ago it was £1.10 a day on the school bus. = £200 a year in 1989. This is £460 after inflation in 2014. £347 is a good deal.!! Gaerian
  • Score: 13

5:26pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Janssenk says...

I have two children in the same school I wanted them to speak welsh my choice as a parent my 27 year old did really well at this school.the council are punishing parents for there children attending a welsh school and want to stay on and do well I cannot pay nearly £700 for my children to travel to school and yes I work and have worked all my life .its a shocking price .
I have two children in the same school I wanted them to speak welsh my choice as a parent my 27 year old did really well at this school.the council are punishing parents for there children attending a welsh school and want to stay on and do well I cannot pay nearly £700 for my children to travel to school and yes I work and have worked all my life .its a shocking price . Janssenk
  • Score: -8

5:30pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Janssenk wrote:
I have two children in the same school I wanted them to speak welsh my choice as a parent my 27 year old did really well at this school.the council are punishing parents for there children attending a welsh school and want to stay on and do well I cannot pay nearly £700 for my children to travel to school and yes I work and have worked all my life .its a shocking price .
As you say, your choice. So why do you want other people to pay for it?
[quote][p][bold]Janssenk[/bold] wrote: I have two children in the same school I wanted them to speak welsh my choice as a parent my 27 year old did really well at this school.the council are punishing parents for there children attending a welsh school and want to stay on and do well I cannot pay nearly £700 for my children to travel to school and yes I work and have worked all my life .its a shocking price .[/p][/quote]As you say, your choice. So why do you want other people to pay for it? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -5

5:34pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Mr Miffed says...

Janssenk wrote:
I have two children in the same school I wanted them to speak welsh my choice as a parent my 27 year old did really well at this school.the council are punishing parents for there children attending a welsh school and want to stay on and do well I cannot pay nearly £700 for my children to travel to school and yes I work and have worked all my life .its a shocking price .
The role of the taxpayer is to fund education and health and the other aspects of a civilised society, like infrastructure. It is not their role to pay for, indulge, or cater for every whim. Including yours.
[quote][p][bold]Janssenk[/bold] wrote: I have two children in the same school I wanted them to speak welsh my choice as a parent my 27 year old did really well at this school.the council are punishing parents for there children attending a welsh school and want to stay on and do well I cannot pay nearly £700 for my children to travel to school and yes I work and have worked all my life .its a shocking price .[/p][/quote]The role of the taxpayer is to fund education and health and the other aspects of a civilised society, like infrastructure. It is not their role to pay for, indulge, or cater for every whim. Including yours. Mr Miffed
  • Score: 14

6:03pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

Wasn't a similar story on this same subject a few weeks ago.....

.....the reason that these school are so popular with parents are they have good results...new buildings etc etc....

and the reason being the children they attract are more intelligent....than those left behind in the main stream schools that have to take all the thickos who have difficultly learning and speaking one.......
Wasn't a similar story on this same subject a few weeks ago..... .....the reason that these school are so popular with parents are they have good results...new buildings etc etc.... and the reason being the children they attract are more intelligent....than those left behind in the main stream schools that have to take all the thickos who have difficultly learning and speaking one....... Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 5

6:49pm Thu 17 Jul 14

mikewelsh says...

Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think?

http://www.languaget

rainers.co.uk/blog/2

013/04/01/government

-agency-ceasing-use-

of-welsh-language/
Thats because the majority of Welsh speaking people, cannot read or write in Welsh.
Why hasn't Newport CITY got a Welsh High School?
Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think? http://www.languaget rainers.co.uk/blog/2 013/04/01/government -agency-ceasing-use- of-welsh-language/ Thats because the majority of Welsh speaking people, cannot read or write in Welsh. Why hasn't Newport CITY got a Welsh High School? mikewelsh
  • Score: -9

7:02pm Thu 17 Jul 14

WELSH BUDDAH says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
"If the language is so "dead" then why is Gwynllyw currently full and a new welsh school is being opened in newport? There is such a high demand for children to learn the language" And in infant and primary schools all over The Gwent valleys is the same.
"Good for them sticking up for themselves against the imbecilic tactics of idiotic bus companies who think price-hikes and service-slashing is the answer to everything". And if you been attending this school then how can they jeopardise a child's education with these price hikes?
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education. My daughter is in Welsh medium education and it fantastic to hear them speak bilingually and with scientific proof it is better to be bilingual then why would you not want your child to learn their very own language. The only reason is that you are maybe not Welsh and from another place maybe england.
The country is the UK (Wales never was), and it matters when people are dying on waiting lists for the want of those £billions. It also matters that parents who don't want their kids taught Welsh are denied that choice yet are asked to subsidise a minority. If you don't like it maybe you should go back to your birth country we are in Wales and some people are proud of that, and Wales is only part of the UK like Scotland and Northern Ireland.

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[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]"If the language is so "dead" then why is Gwynllyw currently full and a new welsh school is being opened in newport? There is such a high demand for children to learn the language" And in infant and primary schools all over The Gwent valleys is the same. "Good for them sticking up for themselves against the imbecilic tactics of idiotic bus companies who think price-hikes and service-slashing is the answer to everything". And if you been attending this school then how can they jeopardise a child's education with these price hikes? "A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education. My daughter is in Welsh medium education and it fantastic to hear them speak bilingually and with scientific proof it is better to be bilingual then why would you not want your child to learn their very own language. The only reason is that you are maybe not Welsh and from another place maybe england. The country is the UK (Wales never was), and it matters when people are dying on waiting lists for the want of those £billions. It also matters that parents who don't want their kids taught Welsh are denied that choice yet are asked to subsidise a minority. If you don't like it maybe you should go back to your birth country we are in Wales and some people are proud of that, and Wales is only part of the UK like Scotland and Northern Ireland. https://www.google.c o.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& q=&esrc=s&source=web &cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8 &ved=0CEkQFjAF&url=h ttp%3A%2F%2Fm.southw alesargus.co.uk%2Fne ws%2F11252566.Welsh_ school_gets_glowing_ report%2F%3Fref%3Dmr &ei=hw7IU9_UL9P07Aar tIDgCQ&usg=AFQjCNGhK fCzWX1vkvijlD-Y0AOuw 2Q5yQ&sig2=T3R3coKHk 5QmAbp_jr5iHQ&bvm=bv .71198958,d.ZWU https://www.google.c o.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& q=&esrc=s&source=web &cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8 &ved=0CDAQFjAC&url=h ttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.fac ebook.com%2FWelshSch ool%2Fposts%2F320590 244766899&ei=3g7IU6H bNauh7AaO2IHABg&usg= AFQjCNFBHRPIjuOlNUw4 PCAPZDdRf4SCOA&sig2= 3OLCtkhbJbl7BzLxFBkz Tw WELSH BUDDAH
  • Score: 4

9:39pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

mikewelsh wrote:
Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think?

http://www.languaget


rainers.co.uk/blog/2


013/04/01/government


-agency-ceasing-use-


of-welsh-language/
Thats because the majority of Welsh speaking people, cannot read or write in Welsh.
Why hasn't Newport CITY got a Welsh High School?
'Thats because the majority of Welsh speaking people, cannot read or write in Welsh.'

After god knows how many years of the Welsh Language Act, countless £billions and draconian legislation. Horrific isn't it. Like I said, how dead do you want?
[quote][p][bold]mikewelsh[/bold] wrote: Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think? http://www.languaget rainers.co.uk/blog/2 013/04/01/government -agency-ceasing-use- of-welsh-language/ Thats because the majority of Welsh speaking people, cannot read or write in Welsh. Why hasn't Newport CITY got a Welsh High School?[/p][/quote]'Thats because the majority of Welsh speaking people, cannot read or write in Welsh.' After god knows how many years of the Welsh Language Act, countless £billions and draconian legislation. Horrific isn't it. Like I said, how dead do you want? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -7

9:45pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Roger Elliot says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Roger Elliot wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school!
Incidentally, how 'racism'? It isn't a 'race' for a start and it's a discussion about language and public spending priorities. And if someone living in the region currently known as Wales criticises how their taxes (that they pay here) are spent, then isn't that overuse of the already massively overused 'R' word to an unprecedented extreme?
Nobody's a "race" when it comes down to it! But it does seem to me that Welsh-speakers get it in the neck for all manner of things which no one would dare (and rightly I may add) say about speakers of other languages. I know this from bitter personal experience.

BTW how much taxes are wasted on kids learning algebra, which hardly anyone uses once they cease doing math exams in school (save for extremely rare specialized occupations)? Yet you don't hear "algebra is useless" bandied about! I bet you are one of those people who thinks Welsh only exists to annoy you in shops!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school![/p][/quote]Incidentally, how 'racism'? It isn't a 'race' for a start and it's a discussion about language and public spending priorities. And if someone living in the region currently known as Wales criticises how their taxes (that they pay here) are spent, then isn't that overuse of the already massively overused 'R' word to an unprecedented extreme?[/p][/quote]Nobody's a "race" when it comes down to it! But it does seem to me that Welsh-speakers get it in the neck for all manner of things which no one would dare (and rightly I may add) say about speakers of other languages. I know this from bitter personal experience. BTW how much taxes are wasted on kids learning algebra, which hardly anyone uses once they cease doing math exams in school (save for extremely rare specialized occupations)? Yet you don't hear "algebra is useless" bandied about! I bet you are one of those people who thinks Welsh only exists to annoy you in shops! Roger Elliot
  • Score: -8

10:49pm Thu 17 Jul 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Roger Elliot wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Roger Elliot wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school!
Incidentally, how 'racism'? It isn't a 'race' for a start and it's a discussion about language and public spending priorities. And if someone living in the region currently known as Wales criticises how their taxes (that they pay here) are spent, then isn't that overuse of the already massively overused 'R' word to an unprecedented extreme?
Nobody's a "race" when it comes down to it! But it does seem to me that Welsh-speakers get it in the neck for all manner of things which no one would dare (and rightly I may add) say about speakers of other languages. I know this from bitter personal experience.

BTW how much taxes are wasted on kids learning algebra, which hardly anyone uses once they cease doing math exams in school (save for extremely rare specialized occupations)? Yet you don't hear "algebra is useless" bandied about! I bet you are one of those people who thinks Welsh only exists to annoy you in shops!
Daft comparison - we all use the results of algebra about a million times a day.
[quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school![/p][/quote]Incidentally, how 'racism'? It isn't a 'race' for a start and it's a discussion about language and public spending priorities. And if someone living in the region currently known as Wales criticises how their taxes (that they pay here) are spent, then isn't that overuse of the already massively overused 'R' word to an unprecedented extreme?[/p][/quote]Nobody's a "race" when it comes down to it! But it does seem to me that Welsh-speakers get it in the neck for all manner of things which no one would dare (and rightly I may add) say about speakers of other languages. I know this from bitter personal experience. BTW how much taxes are wasted on kids learning algebra, which hardly anyone uses once they cease doing math exams in school (save for extremely rare specialized occupations)? Yet you don't hear "algebra is useless" bandied about! I bet you are one of those people who thinks Welsh only exists to annoy you in shops![/p][/quote]Daft comparison - we all use the results of algebra about a million times a day. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 12

11:38pm Thu 17 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
Bethanmoore123 I commend you for beating people your age to a job. I would hope that this is down to the fact that you are the best qualified and able person for the position. Unfortunately, many people who speak Welsh are employed over others because there is a requirement to have a bilingual minority represented in the workplace. Meris says it must be so. I know Project Engineers in quite high positions working in Cardiff who are actually quite mediocre when it comes to their low grade degree competence but because they are bilingual they fit the bill. I hope it's not the case with you.
[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]Bethanmoore123 I commend you for beating people your age to a job. I would hope that this is down to the fact that you are the best qualified and able person for the position. Unfortunately, many people who speak Welsh are employed over others because there is a requirement to have a bilingual minority represented in the workplace. Meris says it must be so. I know Project Engineers in quite high positions working in Cardiff who are actually quite mediocre when it comes to their low grade degree competence but because they are bilingual they fit the bill. I hope it's not the case with you. landyman3030
  • Score: 12

12:03am Fri 18 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Roger Elliot wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Roger Elliot wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school!
Incidentally, how 'racism'? It isn't a 'race' for a start and it's a discussion about language and public spending priorities. And if someone living in the region currently known as Wales criticises how their taxes (that they pay here) are spent, then isn't that overuse of the already massively overused 'R' word to an unprecedented extreme?
Nobody's a "race" when it comes down to it! But it does seem to me that Welsh-speakers get it in the neck for all manner of things which no one would dare (and rightly I may add) say about speakers of other languages. I know this from bitter personal experience.

BTW how much taxes are wasted on kids learning algebra, which hardly anyone uses once they cease doing math exams in school (save for extremely rare specialized occupations)? Yet you don't hear "algebra is useless" bandied about! I bet you are one of those people who thinks Welsh only exists to annoy you in shops!
If nobody's a 'race' why mention it? It's not Welsh that annoys me, in shops or otherwise, just the inordinate, scattergun use of vast sums of taxpayers money on it to zero effect. Oh, and the forcing onto people who want nothing to do with it.
[quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school![/p][/quote]Incidentally, how 'racism'? It isn't a 'race' for a start and it's a discussion about language and public spending priorities. And if someone living in the region currently known as Wales criticises how their taxes (that they pay here) are spent, then isn't that overuse of the already massively overused 'R' word to an unprecedented extreme?[/p][/quote]Nobody's a "race" when it comes down to it! But it does seem to me that Welsh-speakers get it in the neck for all manner of things which no one would dare (and rightly I may add) say about speakers of other languages. I know this from bitter personal experience. BTW how much taxes are wasted on kids learning algebra, which hardly anyone uses once they cease doing math exams in school (save for extremely rare specialized occupations)? Yet you don't hear "algebra is useless" bandied about! I bet you are one of those people who thinks Welsh only exists to annoy you in shops![/p][/quote]If nobody's a 'race' why mention it? It's not Welsh that annoys me, in shops or otherwise, just the inordinate, scattergun use of vast sums of taxpayers money on it to zero effect. Oh, and the forcing onto people who want nothing to do with it. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -4

4:59am Fri 18 Jul 14

MikeO4O8 says...

So it's ok for the council to harm a child's education by trying to get them to pay for something they can't afford but it's not ok for a child to miss a day off school (referring to parents face £60 truancy fees), since they are unable to get to school with the price increase will the parents still be fined £60? As think you have to be in school till your 18 now, or is there an age limit on truancy fees?
So it's ok for the council to harm a child's education by trying to get them to pay for something they can't afford but it's not ok for a child to miss a day off school (referring to parents face £60 truancy fees), since they are unable to get to school with the price increase will the parents still be fined £60? As think you have to be in school till your 18 now, or is there an age limit on truancy fees? MikeO4O8
  • Score: -7

9:10am Fri 18 Jul 14

Rjames27 says...

It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.
It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling. Rjames27
  • Score: -2

9:13am Fri 18 Jul 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
So it's ok for the council to harm a child's education by trying to get them to pay for something they can't afford but it's not ok for a child to miss a day off school (referring to parents face £60 truancy fees), since they are unable to get to school with the price increase will the parents still be fined £60? As think you have to be in school till your 18 now, or is there an age limit on truancy fees?
I don't know why you, (and the students) are complaining. By my calculations, the price of a full year's travel is now £500. If you divide that by 365 then you get less than £1.40/day - which is (far as I know) the cost of a Newport Transport, zone 1, one way ticket.

So, not only do you get a £150 reduction on that, you get return travel for free - from outside the zone travel area - and you think that's a bad deal?

Perhaps if the teenies sent a few less text messages to each other then they could afford the pennies a day increase.
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: So it's ok for the council to harm a child's education by trying to get them to pay for something they can't afford but it's not ok for a child to miss a day off school (referring to parents face £60 truancy fees), since they are unable to get to school with the price increase will the parents still be fined £60? As think you have to be in school till your 18 now, or is there an age limit on truancy fees?[/p][/quote]I don't know why you, (and the students) are complaining. By my calculations, the price of a full year's travel is now £500. If you divide that by 365 then you get less than £1.40/day - which is (far as I know) the cost of a Newport Transport, zone 1, one way ticket. So, not only do you get a £150 reduction on that, you get return travel for free - from outside the zone travel area - and you think that's a bad deal? Perhaps if the teenies sent a few less text messages to each other then they could afford the pennies a day increase. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 14

10:01am Fri 18 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Rjames27 wrote:
It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.
I don't believe anybody is against the Welsh language. I most certainly am not. I am against the enforced learning of the language on our school children at a cost of millions of pounds to our skint education system.
Whether you have fluent or Welsh skills is an arguement Meris and her gang have hidden behind for years. The facts from ONS and viewing figures from S4C and other sources cited in this paper indicate that Welsh is used less in the home and workplace then ever before.
People should learn the Welsh language because they want to, not because they have to. Stop the ridiculous funding levels given to the language at a cost of other subjects. If the WAG and Meris published the real figures of financing the language for the last decade alongside the real usage statistics that are not skewed to suit, maybe our Welsh public could have a referendum on whether we keep the forced education policy or not. I wish. They don't trust the real people to decide for themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.[/p][/quote]I don't believe anybody is against the Welsh language. I most certainly am not. I am against the enforced learning of the language on our school children at a cost of millions of pounds to our skint education system. Whether you have fluent or Welsh skills is an arguement Meris and her gang have hidden behind for years. The facts from ONS and viewing figures from S4C and other sources cited in this paper indicate that Welsh is used less in the home and workplace then ever before. People should learn the Welsh language because they want to, not because they have to. Stop the ridiculous funding levels given to the language at a cost of other subjects. If the WAG and Meris published the real figures of financing the language for the last decade alongside the real usage statistics that are not skewed to suit, maybe our Welsh public could have a referendum on whether we keep the forced education policy or not. I wish. They don't trust the real people to decide for themselves. landyman3030
  • Score: 12

10:04am Fri 18 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
Any language that has had £billions spent on it in ten years yet is still in decline may not be actually dead but the hugely expensive life support machine isn't working. Let me guess, is your new job being paid out of taxes?
Does it matter how much is spent on it! It's the language of our country! Children shouldn't be deprived of the advantage and pride of being able to their own country's language.
Does it matter how much is spent on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!
That statement just beggars belief.
It's ostrich time again folks. WAG style.
Bend over, stick your head in the sand and wait for whats coming to you.
Another shafting from the Bay. Welcome to Wales.
[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]Any language that has had £billions spent on it in ten years yet is still in decline may not be actually dead but the hugely expensive life support machine isn't working. Let me guess, is your new job being paid out of taxes?[/p][/quote]Does it matter how much is spent on it! It's the language of our country! Children shouldn't be deprived of the advantage and pride of being able to their own country's language.[/p][/quote]Does it matter how much is spent on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! That statement just beggars belief. It's ostrich time again folks. WAG style. Bend over, stick your head in the sand and wait for whats coming to you. Another shafting from the Bay. Welcome to Wales. landyman3030
  • Score: 11

10:17am Fri 18 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Rjames27 wrote:
It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.
I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.
[quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -7

10:49am Fri 18 Jul 14

Cymreigiwr says...

The point is that Newport has a duty to provide Welsh medium education for the very many who need it for their children, but has chosen to deliver this via a school many miles away, on a hill behind Pontypool. This is the Council's decision, and not that of the children or parents, who would have been very keen to have a closer school that meets their needs. Hence this decision adds a financial penalty to the time/convenience disadvantage they already suffer compared to all other Newport children, the great majority of whom can walk or cycle to school. Newport's forthcoming Welsh medium secondary billed to be in Dyffryn will improve the situation.

Some here claim Welsh medium is a 'choice'. For those of us who speak Welsh, it is not. Denying our kids a proper education in our language simply isn't an option.

Newport is Wales' 3rd city and Cymraeg is a native and official language here too. The authorities support it better than in the past, but it still gets far from a proportionate consideration, nationally and locally. How is providing services many people want and need a waste of money?

It's an embarrassment to the Argus and the region, and a great shame that several odious and prolific anti-Welsh trolls see fit to air bigotry and intolerance here, including offensive and baseless prejudice against Welsh speakers. They seek to deny a significant indigenous and taxpaying minority our right to exist and thrive. They seek to stifle support that is already inadequate, based on bigoted disinformation. They have no scruples even deriding and attacking schoolchildren.

Thankfully I'm confident the right-minded majority can see their nasty, oppressive remarks for the intolerant prejudice they are.
The point is that Newport has a duty to provide Welsh medium education for the very many who need it for their children, but has chosen to deliver this via a school many miles away, on a hill behind Pontypool. This is the Council's decision, and not that of the children or parents, who would have been very keen to have a closer school that meets their needs. Hence this decision adds a financial penalty to the time/convenience disadvantage they already suffer compared to all other Newport children, the great majority of whom can walk or cycle to school. Newport's forthcoming Welsh medium secondary billed to be in Dyffryn will improve the situation. Some here claim Welsh medium is a 'choice'. For those of us who speak Welsh, it is not. Denying our kids a proper education in our language simply isn't an option. Newport is Wales' 3rd city and Cymraeg is a native and official language here too. The authorities support it better than in the past, but it still gets far from a proportionate consideration, nationally and locally. How is providing services many people want and need a waste of money? It's an embarrassment to the Argus and the region, and a great shame that several odious and prolific anti-Welsh trolls see fit to air bigotry and intolerance here, including offensive and baseless prejudice against Welsh speakers. They seek to deny a significant indigenous and taxpaying minority our right to exist and thrive. They seek to stifle support that is already inadequate, based on bigoted disinformation. They have no scruples even deriding and attacking schoolchildren. Thankfully I'm confident the right-minded majority can see their nasty, oppressive remarks for the intolerant prejudice they are. Cymreigiwr
  • Score: 6

11:04am Fri 18 Jul 14

PageTheOracle says...

I think many are getting the wrong end of the stick here.

I think you'll find ALL sixth formers/post-16 pupils are paying the same, whether travelling to their "local" school or all the way to Pontypool for a Welsh-medium school.

Consequently even if these youngsters did change to a local "English" school or sixth-form college the bus charges would be the same.

Consequently it seems the Welsh speakers are indeed being treating exactly the same as though learning in English. Arguably, as they are travelling further for the same price as others, they are getting a higher subsidy.
I think many are getting the wrong end of the stick here. I think you'll find ALL sixth formers/post-16 pupils are paying the same, whether travelling to their "local" school or all the way to Pontypool for a Welsh-medium school. Consequently even if these youngsters did change to a local "English" school or sixth-form college the bus charges would be the same. Consequently it seems the Welsh speakers are indeed being treating exactly the same as though learning in English. Arguably, as they are travelling further for the same price as others, they are getting a higher subsidy. PageTheOracle
  • Score: 11

11:20am Fri 18 Jul 14

Stevenboy says...

Cymreigiwr wrote:
The point is that Newport has a duty to provide Welsh medium education for the very many who need it for their children, but has chosen to deliver this via a school many miles away, on a hill behind Pontypool. This is the Council's decision, and not that of the children or parents, who would have been very keen to have a closer school that meets their needs. Hence this decision adds a financial penalty to the time/convenience disadvantage they already suffer compared to all other Newport children, the great majority of whom can walk or cycle to school. Newport's forthcoming Welsh medium secondary billed to be in Dyffryn will improve the situation.

Some here claim Welsh medium is a 'choice'. For those of us who speak Welsh, it is not. Denying our kids a proper education in our language simply isn't an option.

Newport is Wales' 3rd city and Cymraeg is a native and official language here too. The authorities support it better than in the past, but it still gets far from a proportionate consideration, nationally and locally. How is providing services many people want and need a waste of money?

It's an embarrassment to the Argus and the region, and a great shame that several odious and prolific anti-Welsh trolls see fit to air bigotry and intolerance here, including offensive and baseless prejudice against Welsh speakers. They seek to deny a significant indigenous and taxpaying minority our right to exist and thrive. They seek to stifle support that is already inadequate, based on bigoted disinformation. They have no scruples even deriding and attacking schoolchildren.

Thankfully I'm confident the right-minded majority can see their nasty, oppressive remarks for the intolerant prejudice they are.
'It's an embarrassment to the Argus and the region, and a great shame that several odious and prolific anti-Welsh trolls see fit to air bigotry and intolerance here, including offensive and baseless prejudice against Welsh speakers.'

Where to start with that one. So in your world, the Argus' enabling of democratic debate on how public money is best used is 'an embarrassment'? Anyone who disagrees with you, despite backing their argument with numbers which are clearly in the public domain is a 'troll'? I happen to think that having people die on waiting lists is an 'embarrassment' whilst people are given jobs in WAG on £104K p.a., and who saw it as their function to take the NSA to court to force it to reinstate a Welsh Language service no-one was using.
[quote][p][bold]Cymreigiwr[/bold] wrote: The point is that Newport has a duty to provide Welsh medium education for the very many who need it for their children, but has chosen to deliver this via a school many miles away, on a hill behind Pontypool. This is the Council's decision, and not that of the children or parents, who would have been very keen to have a closer school that meets their needs. Hence this decision adds a financial penalty to the time/convenience disadvantage they already suffer compared to all other Newport children, the great majority of whom can walk or cycle to school. Newport's forthcoming Welsh medium secondary billed to be in Dyffryn will improve the situation. Some here claim Welsh medium is a 'choice'. For those of us who speak Welsh, it is not. Denying our kids a proper education in our language simply isn't an option. Newport is Wales' 3rd city and Cymraeg is a native and official language here too. The authorities support it better than in the past, but it still gets far from a proportionate consideration, nationally and locally. How is providing services many people want and need a waste of money? It's an embarrassment to the Argus and the region, and a great shame that several odious and prolific anti-Welsh trolls see fit to air bigotry and intolerance here, including offensive and baseless prejudice against Welsh speakers. They seek to deny a significant indigenous and taxpaying minority our right to exist and thrive. They seek to stifle support that is already inadequate, based on bigoted disinformation. They have no scruples even deriding and attacking schoolchildren. Thankfully I'm confident the right-minded majority can see their nasty, oppressive remarks for the intolerant prejudice they are.[/p][/quote]'It's an embarrassment to the Argus and the region, and a great shame that several odious and prolific anti-Welsh trolls see fit to air bigotry and intolerance here, including offensive and baseless prejudice against Welsh speakers.' Where to start with that one. So in your world, the Argus' enabling of democratic debate on how public money is best used is 'an embarrassment'? Anyone who disagrees with you, despite backing their argument with numbers which are clearly in the public domain is a 'troll'? I happen to think that having people die on waiting lists is an 'embarrassment' whilst people are given jobs in WAG on £104K p.a., and who saw it as their function to take the NSA to court to force it to reinstate a Welsh Language service no-one was using. Stevenboy
  • Score: 17

11:22am Fri 18 Jul 14

WELSH BUDDAH says...

It the anti Welsh that gets to me what is wrong with people wanting to learn through the Welsh education system? And yes all the fees in school transport is changing and the milage is certain boroughs. And the rise in people wanting a Welsh education grows year after year, in some areas there is insufficient places and that is in Gwent. And the Argus yet again does a story that makes the Welsh Education system look bad but I know from experience that this education is a great one from meeting teenagers to adults who attended Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw. And I can only assume that in certain education people don't care or the SWA is anti Welsh because this situation is going to affect every 6th form child in Gwent and other areas.
It the anti Welsh that gets to me what is wrong with people wanting to learn through the Welsh education system? And yes all the fees in school transport is changing and the milage is certain boroughs. And the rise in people wanting a Welsh education grows year after year, in some areas there is insufficient places and that is in Gwent. And the Argus yet again does a story that makes the Welsh Education system look bad but I know from experience that this education is a great one from meeting teenagers to adults who attended Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw. And I can only assume that in certain education people don't care or the SWA is anti Welsh because this situation is going to affect every 6th form child in Gwent and other areas. WELSH BUDDAH
  • Score: -1

11:54am Fri 18 Jul 14

Walter Devereux says...

If people choose to limit their child's education by making them learn highly technical terms in a language no-one in the international community uses then that is their choice and they should pay for it. Why is this difficult to understand?
If people choose to limit their child's education by making them learn highly technical terms in a language no-one in the international community uses then that is their choice and they should pay for it. Why is this difficult to understand? Walter Devereux
  • Score: 8

11:59am Fri 18 Jul 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

PageTheOracle wrote:
I think many are getting the wrong end of the stick here.

I think you'll find ALL sixth formers/post-16 pupils are paying the same, whether travelling to their "local" school or all the way to Pontypool for a Welsh-medium school.

Consequently even if these youngsters did change to a local "English" school or sixth-form college the bus charges would be the same.

Consequently it seems the Welsh speakers are indeed being treating exactly the same as though learning in English. Arguably, as they are travelling further for the same price as others, they are getting a higher subsidy.
Surely if you were travelling to a school in your catchment area though, you would just choose to walk? I always did; about 5 miles every day there and back with my friends, and it was the best part of the day by a country mile.
[quote][p][bold]PageTheOracle[/bold] wrote: I think many are getting the wrong end of the stick here. I think you'll find ALL sixth formers/post-16 pupils are paying the same, whether travelling to their "local" school or all the way to Pontypool for a Welsh-medium school. Consequently even if these youngsters did change to a local "English" school or sixth-form college the bus charges would be the same. Consequently it seems the Welsh speakers are indeed being treating exactly the same as though learning in English. Arguably, as they are travelling further for the same price as others, they are getting a higher subsidy.[/p][/quote]Surely if you were travelling to a school in your catchment area though, you would just choose to walk? I always did; about 5 miles every day there and back with my friends, and it was the best part of the day by a country mile. Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: 5

12:12pm Fri 18 Jul 14

taxi cwmbran says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Yn dweud y gwir, penderfynon y rhieni i anfon plant i'r ysgol gymraeg yn yr ardal, nid achos oedd e'n pell i ffordd, ond achos roedd yr unig. os ydych chi am i rywun ar fai, rhoi'r bai ar y cyngor am beidio â darparu digon o ysgolion lleol ar gyfer y plant.

Wedi'r cyfan, nid yw'r plant yn dymuno gwastraffu 2 i 3 awr o'u diwrnod ar fws.

Neu gallwch bai eich cyndeidiau am beidio sefyll i fyny dros eu hunain yn erbyn siaradwyr Saesneg sy'n credu y dylant rheol y byd. Maent yn awyddus i edrych ar eu hiaith eu hunain, achos fod ei gramadeg yn anhrefnus.

Ni yw'r unig wlad yn y byd nad ydynt yn siarad ein hiaith ein hunain. Sy'n ein gwneud yn dwp, nid uwchraddol.

Os bu'n rhaid i chi drosi hyn gan ddefnyddio Google, yr wyf yn awgrymu i chi ddechrau dysgu Cymraeg, mae'n gallu gwella eich anwybodaeth.
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Yn dweud y gwir, penderfynon y rhieni i anfon plant i'r ysgol gymraeg yn yr ardal, nid achos oedd e'n pell i ffordd, ond achos roedd yr unig. os ydych chi am i rywun ar fai, rhoi'r bai ar y cyngor am beidio â darparu digon o ysgolion lleol ar gyfer y plant. Wedi'r cyfan, nid yw'r plant yn dymuno gwastraffu 2 i 3 awr o'u diwrnod ar fws. Neu gallwch bai eich cyndeidiau am beidio sefyll i fyny dros eu hunain yn erbyn siaradwyr Saesneg sy'n credu y dylant rheol y byd. Maent yn awyddus i edrych ar eu hiaith eu hunain, achos fod ei gramadeg yn anhrefnus. Ni yw'r unig wlad yn y byd nad ydynt yn siarad ein hiaith ein hunain. Sy'n ein gwneud yn dwp, nid uwchraddol. Os bu'n rhaid i chi drosi hyn gan ddefnyddio Google, yr wyf yn awgrymu i chi ddechrau dysgu Cymraeg, mae'n gallu gwella eich anwybodaeth. taxi cwmbran
  • Score: -8

12:14pm Fri 18 Jul 14

taxi cwmbran says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Your parents SHOULD have taught you how to spell better in English.
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Your parents SHOULD have taught you how to spell better in English. taxi cwmbran
  • Score: -8

12:16pm Fri 18 Jul 14

WELSH BUDDAH says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
PageTheOracle wrote:
I think many are getting the wrong end of the stick here.

I think you'll find ALL sixth formers/post-16 pupils are paying the same, whether travelling to their "local" school or all the way to Pontypool for a Welsh-medium school.

Consequently even if these youngsters did change to a local "English" school or sixth-form college the bus charges would be the same.

Consequently it seems the Welsh speakers are indeed being treating exactly the same as though learning in English. Arguably, as they are travelling further for the same price as others, they are getting a higher subsidy.
Surely if you were travelling to a school in your catchment area though, you would just choose to walk? I always did; about 5 miles every day there and back with my friends, and it was the best part of the day by a country mile.
People use their cars these days from the next street so no, and if you look around you will see they are closing little schools and building big ones. So I ask myself are the authorities doing yet another U-turn, because they had small community schools to stop the traffic. And now they are building massive schools and busing children to them and changing the fees and mileage to reduce spending. I can't see how any money can decide a child's education, and yes it should be up to the parents, but if the children already goto a certain school then their transport fees or mileage should NOT change. Only new applications for WME should be affected and then that would give the parents a choice.
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageTheOracle[/bold] wrote: I think many are getting the wrong end of the stick here. I think you'll find ALL sixth formers/post-16 pupils are paying the same, whether travelling to their "local" school or all the way to Pontypool for a Welsh-medium school. Consequently even if these youngsters did change to a local "English" school or sixth-form college the bus charges would be the same. Consequently it seems the Welsh speakers are indeed being treating exactly the same as though learning in English. Arguably, as they are travelling further for the same price as others, they are getting a higher subsidy.[/p][/quote]Surely if you were travelling to a school in your catchment area though, you would just choose to walk? I always did; about 5 miles every day there and back with my friends, and it was the best part of the day by a country mile.[/p][/quote]People use their cars these days from the next street so no, and if you look around you will see they are closing little schools and building big ones. So I ask myself are the authorities doing yet another U-turn, because they had small community schools to stop the traffic. And now they are building massive schools and busing children to them and changing the fees and mileage to reduce spending. I can't see how any money can decide a child's education, and yes it should be up to the parents, but if the children already goto a certain school then their transport fees or mileage should NOT change. Only new applications for WME should be affected and then that would give the parents a choice. WELSH BUDDAH
  • Score: -3

12:19pm Fri 18 Jul 14

taxi cwmbran says...

Nospin_1 wrote:
If they can't cope with the worldwide English technical terminology how are they going to get a job?
Learn to speak chinese perhaps, since Hong Kong is the number one capital city of the world when it comes to technology. Or are you against all language learning?
[quote][p][bold]Nospin_1[/bold] wrote: If they can't cope with the worldwide English technical terminology how are they going to get a job?[/p][/quote]Learn to speak chinese perhaps, since Hong Kong is the number one capital city of the world when it comes to technology. Or are you against all language learning? taxi cwmbran
  • Score: -1

12:21pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Rjames27 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Rjames27 wrote:
It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.
I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.
I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.[/p][/quote]I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar. Rjames27
  • Score: -6

12:26pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Torfaenwr says...

Walter Devereux wrote:
If people choose to limit their child's education by making them learn highly technical terms in a language no-one in the international community uses then that is their choice and they should pay for it. Why is this difficult to understand?
That might be your prejudice Walter, but the proven facts show the reverse: that learning in your own nation's language as well as an international one like English reinforces and offers a big advantage. Nations like Denmark and Norway use languages unique to their own small country too, yet have world-leading economies. Your bigoted views don't stand up to scrutiny.
[quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: If people choose to limit their child's education by making them learn highly technical terms in a language no-one in the international community uses then that is their choice and they should pay for it. Why is this difficult to understand?[/p][/quote]That might be your prejudice Walter, but the proven facts show the reverse: that learning in your own nation's language as well as an international one like English reinforces and offers a big advantage. Nations like Denmark and Norway use languages unique to their own small country too, yet have world-leading economies. Your bigoted views don't stand up to scrutiny. Torfaenwr
  • Score: -5

12:41pm Fri 18 Jul 14

taxi cwmbran says...

To quote the original Arus article

"A spokeswoman for Newport City Council understands that some students may have been affected by an increase in the cost of their school transport, but it is only fair for all pupils to pay the same amount to access post-16 education provided by the council."

So if we calculate the average cost of a bus paid by all of the English Medium Pupils in Newport, it would be fair that those in Welsh Medium pay the same? Their point - all pupils should pay the same amount. I suppose that due to the number of schools in the area there are a lot of children who can walk to school and therefore pay nothing. So most will pay somewhere between nothing and how much? These children are at a disadvantage not because they chose to be, but because provision has not been made for them. There are infants and junior schools in Welsh Medium in Newport, but no Comprehensive. Not until 2016. So until then, why not make it fair. The school is so far away that if the parents opted to drop them off then they would probably lose their own jobs for being late for work. How come just for wanting to speak Welsh you can allow your fellow men to be disadvantaged like this? It is a right to speak and learn your own language, it's not a waste of taxation, its an alternative use of it. Had our ancestors stood up for themselves. we would all still be speaking Welsh and going to an English Medium school would have been an alternative choice . Of course, English would be taught to the children as an alternative, second language as it is now in Welsh Medium schools - would you consider that an unnecessary expense? Well done girls, fight for your rights!
To quote the original Arus article "A spokeswoman for Newport City Council understands that some students may have been affected by an increase in the cost of their school transport, but it is only fair for all pupils to pay the same amount to access post-16 education provided by the council." So if we calculate the average cost of a bus paid by all of the English Medium Pupils in Newport, it would be fair that those in Welsh Medium pay the same? Their point - all pupils should pay the same amount. I suppose that due to the number of schools in the area there are a lot of children who can walk to school and therefore pay nothing. So most will pay somewhere between nothing and how much? These children are at a disadvantage not because they chose to be, but because provision has not been made for them. There are infants and junior schools in Welsh Medium in Newport, but no Comprehensive. Not until 2016. So until then, why not make it fair. The school is so far away that if the parents opted to drop them off then they would probably lose their own jobs for being late for work. How come just for wanting to speak Welsh you can allow your fellow men to be disadvantaged like this? It is a right to speak and learn your own language, it's not a waste of taxation, its an alternative use of it. Had our ancestors stood up for themselves. we would all still be speaking Welsh and going to an English Medium school would have been an alternative choice . Of course, English would be taught to the children as an alternative, second language as it is now in Welsh Medium schools - would you consider that an unnecessary expense? Well done girls, fight for your rights! taxi cwmbran
  • Score: -6

12:50pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Rjames27 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Rjames27 wrote:
It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.
I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.
I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.
'The issue here is about choice. '
So why, if I send my kids to a state school here, do I not have the 'choice' to opt out? Why did NSA, who were funding a service no-one was using, at huge expense (being borne by their customers), not have the 'choice' to abandon it?
[quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.[/p][/quote]I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.[/p][/quote]'The issue here is about choice. ' So why, if I send my kids to a state school here, do I not have the 'choice' to opt out? Why did NSA, who were funding a service no-one was using, at huge expense (being borne by their customers), not have the 'choice' to abandon it? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -5

4:09pm Fri 18 Jul 14

hevvajones says...

This is only half a story... The fact is that ALL students outside Newport City have to pay £347 to get to sixth form using the school bus, even if it is their catchment school. Students in the city centre only have to pay £170. Where is the fairness in that? (And it's not about distances)
This is only half a story... The fact is that ALL students outside Newport City have to pay £347 to get to sixth form using the school bus, even if it is their catchment school. Students in the city centre only have to pay £170. Where is the fairness in that? (And it's not about distances) hevvajones
  • Score: 6

4:36pm Fri 18 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Rjames27 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Rjames27 wrote:
It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.
I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.
I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.
The issue is not about choice because there isn't any choice for the majority who don't want or see the need to learn Welsh. The biggest issue is cost. What the brainwashing indoctrinating waste of time subject it is being pounded into young brains when they aren't interested funded by a bottomless pit. Somebody welsh speaking said they were tax paying. Good. Fine. Glad to hear it. So why don't we solve this once and for all. If you want to support the Welsh language you opt to pay out of your tax payments. If i choose to not pay my portion into the black hole of Welshism, How far do you think you will get?
[quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.[/p][/quote]I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.[/p][/quote]The issue is not about choice because there isn't any choice for the majority who don't want or see the need to learn Welsh. The biggest issue is cost. What the brainwashing indoctrinating waste of time subject it is being pounded into young brains when they aren't interested funded by a bottomless pit. Somebody welsh speaking said they were tax paying. Good. Fine. Glad to hear it. So why don't we solve this once and for all. If you want to support the Welsh language you opt to pay out of your tax payments. If i choose to not pay my portion into the black hole of Welshism, How far do you think you will get? landyman3030
  • Score: 12

7:36pm Fri 18 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Rjames27 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Rjames27 wrote:
It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.
I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.
I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.
The issue is about choice you say. What choice did a friends son have 2 years ago in his Newport comprehensive school when it was discovered that only 4 people out of the entire year WANTED to do Welsh at GCSE level? No choice that's what. The school decided that everybody had to attend Welsh lessons. Those 4 that wanted to learn Welsh sit at the front. The rest of you stick your ear phones in and be quiet for the lesson period. THERE IS CHOICE FOR YOU! You call me a racist troll for speaking the truth and laying out a reasoned argument against enforced education which is overfunded and not working. Where do you think we are going to be next year when the Welsh NHS isn't able to supply a Bilingual person in every department for those stove pipe few who INSIST it is their right to be treated in The mother tongue? Compensation is available to them. The lunatics are running the asylum. Welsh speaking lunatics. You want the real truth? Get a referendum on the Welsh language. See who votes for what............now it'll go quiet........frighte
ned of the truth is it? Welcome to Wales.
[quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.[/p][/quote]I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.[/p][/quote]The issue is about choice you say. What choice did a friends son have 2 years ago in his Newport comprehensive school when it was discovered that only 4 people out of the entire year WANTED to do Welsh at GCSE level? No choice that's what. The school decided that everybody had to attend Welsh lessons. Those 4 that wanted to learn Welsh sit at the front. The rest of you stick your ear phones in and be quiet for the lesson period. THERE IS CHOICE FOR YOU! You call me a racist troll for speaking the truth and laying out a reasoned argument against enforced education which is overfunded and not working. Where do you think we are going to be next year when the Welsh NHS isn't able to supply a Bilingual person in every department for those stove pipe few who INSIST it is their right to be treated in The mother tongue? Compensation is available to them. The lunatics are running the asylum. Welsh speaking lunatics. You want the real truth? Get a referendum on the Welsh language. See who votes for what............now it'll go quiet........frighte ned of the truth is it? Welcome to Wales. landyman3030
  • Score: 13

7:38pm Fri 18 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

taxi cwmbran wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Yn dweud y gwir, penderfynon y rhieni i anfon plant i'r ysgol gymraeg yn yr ardal, nid achos oedd e'n pell i ffordd, ond achos roedd yr unig. os ydych chi am i rywun ar fai, rhoi'r bai ar y cyngor am beidio â darparu digon o ysgolion lleol ar gyfer y plant.

Wedi'r cyfan, nid yw'r plant yn dymuno gwastraffu 2 i 3 awr o'u diwrnod ar fws.

Neu gallwch bai eich cyndeidiau am beidio sefyll i fyny dros eu hunain yn erbyn siaradwyr Saesneg sy'n credu y dylant rheol y byd. Maent yn awyddus i edrych ar eu hiaith eu hunain, achos fod ei gramadeg yn anhrefnus.

Ni yw'r unig wlad yn y byd nad ydynt yn siarad ein hiaith ein hunain. Sy'n ein gwneud yn dwp, nid uwchraddol.

Os bu'n rhaid i chi drosi hyn gan ddefnyddio Google, yr wyf yn awgrymu i chi ddechrau dysgu Cymraeg, mae'n gallu gwella eich anwybodaeth.
English medium paper this is. Have the decency to post in the majority language or be off with you is it.
[quote][p][bold]taxi cwmbran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Yn dweud y gwir, penderfynon y rhieni i anfon plant i'r ysgol gymraeg yn yr ardal, nid achos oedd e'n pell i ffordd, ond achos roedd yr unig. os ydych chi am i rywun ar fai, rhoi'r bai ar y cyngor am beidio â darparu digon o ysgolion lleol ar gyfer y plant. Wedi'r cyfan, nid yw'r plant yn dymuno gwastraffu 2 i 3 awr o'u diwrnod ar fws. Neu gallwch bai eich cyndeidiau am beidio sefyll i fyny dros eu hunain yn erbyn siaradwyr Saesneg sy'n credu y dylant rheol y byd. Maent yn awyddus i edrych ar eu hiaith eu hunain, achos fod ei gramadeg yn anhrefnus. Ni yw'r unig wlad yn y byd nad ydynt yn siarad ein hiaith ein hunain. Sy'n ein gwneud yn dwp, nid uwchraddol. Os bu'n rhaid i chi drosi hyn gan ddefnyddio Google, yr wyf yn awgrymu i chi ddechrau dysgu Cymraeg, mae'n gallu gwella eich anwybodaeth.[/p][/quote]English medium paper this is. Have the decency to post in the majority language or be off with you is it. landyman3030
  • Score: 3

7:51pm Fri 18 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Sorry Merv. Am I off topic again?
Sorry Merv. Am I off topic again? landyman3030
  • Score: 4

8:48pm Fri 18 Jul 14

varteg1 says...

Torfaenwr wrote:
Walter Devereux wrote:
If people choose to limit their child's education by making them learn highly technical terms in a language no-one in the international community uses then that is their choice and they should pay for it. Why is this difficult to understand?
That might be your prejudice Walter, but the proven facts show the reverse: that learning in your own nation's language as well as an international one like English reinforces and offers a big advantage. Nations like Denmark and Norway use languages unique to their own small country too, yet have world-leading economies. Your bigoted views don't stand up to scrutiny.
In Scanda countries all those nations have populations that can to 100% (if indigenous that is) speak the language of their respective nations.

In Wales (Not Cymru) arguably less than ten percent speak a language that daily drops off scale, and which is unrealistically being force fed to an unwilling student body, for which all in Wales pays the bill.

Arguing ,using data based on Scanda nations is false, because if using that argument for Wales, you would be arguing for the main language....English.
. not Cymraeg.

Why not turn the argument around seeing you think the Scanda nations so successful, and argue for one, or all, Scanda languages to be taught here, just as they teach English as their second language, and to which end those Scanda nations are very successful.
[quote][p][bold]Torfaenwr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: If people choose to limit their child's education by making them learn highly technical terms in a language no-one in the international community uses then that is their choice and they should pay for it. Why is this difficult to understand?[/p][/quote]That might be your prejudice Walter, but the proven facts show the reverse: that learning in your own nation's language as well as an international one like English reinforces and offers a big advantage. Nations like Denmark and Norway use languages unique to their own small country too, yet have world-leading economies. Your bigoted views don't stand up to scrutiny.[/p][/quote]In Scanda countries all those nations have populations that can to 100% (if indigenous that is) speak the language of their respective nations. In Wales (Not Cymru) arguably less than ten percent speak a language that daily drops off scale, and which is unrealistically being force fed to an unwilling student body, for which all in Wales pays the bill. Arguing ,using data based on Scanda nations is false, because if using that argument for Wales, you would be arguing for the main language....English. . not Cymraeg. Why not turn the argument around seeing you think the Scanda nations so successful, and argue for one, or all, Scanda languages to be taught here, just as they teach English as their second language, and to which end those Scanda nations are very successful. varteg1
  • Score: 9

11:07pm Fri 18 Jul 14

maggypalmer says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Spot on. Ps Can someone subsidise my lifestyle choice of sending my kids to private school please?
Beautifully put!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Ps Can someone subsidise my lifestyle choice of sending my kids to private school please?[/p][/quote]Beautifully put! maggypalmer
  • Score: -7

11:12pm Fri 18 Jul 14

maggypalmer says...

grandmammamia wrote:
myopinion1988 wrote:
If you chose to send your children to a school that isn't in the catchment area then how can you expect the council to cover the cost of the travel!! your choice your problem!!
Agree.

I would prefer the council to spend the money on resources for their schools.
I so agree - this is a luxury schools can't afford!
[quote][p][bold]grandmammamia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myopinion1988[/bold] wrote: If you chose to send your children to a school that isn't in the catchment area then how can you expect the council to cover the cost of the travel!! your choice your problem!![/p][/quote]Agree. I would prefer the council to spend the money on resources for their schools.[/p][/quote]I so agree - this is a luxury schools can't afford! maggypalmer
  • Score: -5

11:37pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh.
How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it.

If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.
The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh. How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it. If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 13

8:06am Sat 19 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh.
How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it.

If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.
It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh. How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it. If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.[/p][/quote]It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -20

9:05am Sat 19 Jul 14

displayed says...

The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh."

Here, here................
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The price has gone up cos of inflation and lack of use of subsidised services, cuts will b made, so they have.
The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh." Here, here................ ....... The price has gone up cos of inflation and lack of use of subsidised services, cuts will b made, so they have. displayed
  • Score: 19

9:08am Sat 19 Jul 14

helper7 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne

ss
wrote:
The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh.
How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it.

If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.
It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.
Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales.
Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol)
Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline.
Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations.
Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history.
In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams,
If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs.
One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying.
I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense.

.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh. How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it. If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.[/p][/quote]It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.[/p][/quote]Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales. Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol) Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline. Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations. Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history. In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams, If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs. One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying. I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense. . helper7
  • Score: 10

10:06am Sat 19 Jul 14

Stevenboy says...

helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne


ss
wrote:
The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh.
How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it.

If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.
It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.
Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales.
Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol)
Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline.
Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations.
Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history.
In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams,
If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs.
One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying.
I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense.

.
And what 'identity and culture' would that be? Women in stove-pipe hats and shawls and blokes wandering around in silk bed-linen reciting poetry? Give me a break. Have you any idea what the world would look like if everyone went back to the tribal boundaries of four or five hundred years back? Move on for pity sake.
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh. How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it. If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.[/p][/quote]It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.[/p][/quote]Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales. Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol) Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline. Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations. Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history. In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams, If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs. One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying. I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense. .[/p][/quote]And what 'identity and culture' would that be? Women in stove-pipe hats and shawls and blokes wandering around in silk bed-linen reciting poetry? Give me a break. Have you any idea what the world would look like if everyone went back to the tribal boundaries of four or five hundred years back? Move on for pity sake. Stevenboy
  • Score: -12

12:11pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Miller61 says...

Putting aside the anti-Welsh vitriol for a moment, the issue here is that post compulsory education students who live outside urban Newport are being charged much more for school transport than those who live within. Students who live in Langstone and attend their "catchment" school Caerleon face the same price hike as those who attend Gwynllyw. Contrary to the statement made by NCC all students are not being made to pay the same increase.
Putting aside the anti-Welsh vitriol for a moment, the issue here is that post compulsory education students who live outside urban Newport are being charged much more for school transport than those who live within. Students who live in Langstone and attend their "catchment" school Caerleon face the same price hike as those who attend Gwynllyw. Contrary to the statement made by NCC all students are not being made to pay the same increase. Miller61
  • Score: 0

3:05pm Sat 19 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

Stevenboy wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne



ss
wrote:
The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh.
How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it.

If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.
It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.
Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales.
Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol)
Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline.
Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations.
Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history.
In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams,
If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs.
One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying.
I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense.

.
And what 'identity and culture' would that be? Women in stove-pipe hats and shawls and blokes wandering around in silk bed-linen reciting poetry? Give me a break. Have you any idea what the world would look like if everyone went back to the tribal boundaries of four or five hundred years back? Move on for pity sake.
Who’s suggesting we go back and live in the past? Respecting ones history and investing in ones culture are perfectly honourable things to do, the English,Scots and Irish and most civilised countries of the world all do it.
None of this however justifies a three-fold hike of a bus fare.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh. How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it. If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.[/p][/quote]It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.[/p][/quote]Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales. Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol) Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline. Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations. Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history. In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams, If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs. One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying. I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense. .[/p][/quote]And what 'identity and culture' would that be? Women in stove-pipe hats and shawls and blokes wandering around in silk bed-linen reciting poetry? Give me a break. Have you any idea what the world would look like if everyone went back to the tribal boundaries of four or five hundred years back? Move on for pity sake.[/p][/quote]Who’s suggesting we go back and live in the past? Respecting ones history and investing in ones culture are perfectly honourable things to do, the English,Scots and Irish and most civilised countries of the world all do it. None of this however justifies a three-fold hike of a bus fare. letsgobarbie
  • Score: 16

4:03pm Sat 19 Jul 14

topdog99 says...

I wonder why this little gem has been hidden away and forgotten about?
Try and find a copy, I bet you cant.
Ask the beeb, I bet you get knowhere.
Gwen, the oldest woman in Britain looks back over her unique life:

http://www.imdb.com/
title/tt0096818/
I wonder why this little gem has been hidden away and forgotten about? Try and find a copy, I bet you cant. Ask the beeb, I bet you get knowhere. Gwen, the oldest woman in Britain looks back over her unique life: http://www.imdb.com/ title/tt0096818/ topdog99
  • Score: 1

4:18pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Crynwyr says...

Pam mae pobol yn gwastraffu'u eu hamser yn trafod a dadlau gyda'r Jonni Ingerlanders yma. Da iawn ferched, para da'r brwydro. Bydded i'r hen iaith barhau.
Pam mae pobol yn gwastraffu'u eu hamser yn trafod a dadlau gyda'r Jonni Ingerlanders yma. Da iawn ferched, para da'r brwydro. Bydded i'r hen iaith barhau. Crynwyr
  • Score: -4

4:51pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Llanmartingargoyle says...

The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only).
We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done.
Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me.
Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about.
We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.
The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only). We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done. Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me. Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about. We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London. Llanmartingargoyle
  • Score: 11

5:51pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Stevenboy says...

letsgobarbie wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne




ss
wrote:
The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh.
How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it.

If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.
It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.
Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales.
Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol)
Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline.
Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations.
Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history.
In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams,
If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs.
One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying.
I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense.

.
And what 'identity and culture' would that be? Women in stove-pipe hats and shawls and blokes wandering around in silk bed-linen reciting poetry? Give me a break. Have you any idea what the world would look like if everyone went back to the tribal boundaries of four or five hundred years back? Move on for pity sake.
Who’s suggesting we go back and live in the past? Respecting ones history and investing in ones culture are perfectly honourable things to do, the English,Scots and Irish and most civilised countries of the world all do it.
None of this however justifies a three-fold hike of a bus fare.
If it's the genuine past yeah, why not. But surely even you can tell the difference between real heritage and stuff invented to give gullible tourists something to gawp at. You'll be telling us you believe in Cornish pixies next.
[quote][p][bold]letsgobarbie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh. How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it. If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.[/p][/quote]It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.[/p][/quote]Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales. Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol) Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline. Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations. Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history. In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams, If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs. One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying. I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense. .[/p][/quote]And what 'identity and culture' would that be? Women in stove-pipe hats and shawls and blokes wandering around in silk bed-linen reciting poetry? Give me a break. Have you any idea what the world would look like if everyone went back to the tribal boundaries of four or five hundred years back? Move on for pity sake.[/p][/quote]Who’s suggesting we go back and live in the past? Respecting ones history and investing in ones culture are perfectly honourable things to do, the English,Scots and Irish and most civilised countries of the world all do it. None of this however justifies a three-fold hike of a bus fare.[/p][/quote]If it's the genuine past yeah, why not. But surely even you can tell the difference between real heritage and stuff invented to give gullible tourists something to gawp at. You'll be telling us you believe in Cornish pixies next. Stevenboy
  • Score: 3

6:27pm Sat 19 Jul 14

topdog99 says...

Stevenboy wrote:
letsgobarbie wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne





ss
wrote:
The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh.
How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it.

If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.
It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.
Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales.
Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol)
Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline.
Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations.
Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history.
In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams,
If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs.
One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying.
I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense.

.
And what 'identity and culture' would that be? Women in stove-pipe hats and shawls and blokes wandering around in silk bed-linen reciting poetry? Give me a break. Have you any idea what the world would look like if everyone went back to the tribal boundaries of four or five hundred years back? Move on for pity sake.
Who’s suggesting we go back and live in the past? Respecting ones history and investing in ones culture are perfectly honourable things to do, the English,Scots and Irish and most civilised countries of the world all do it.
None of this however justifies a three-fold hike of a bus fare.
If it's the genuine past yeah, why not. But surely even you can tell the difference between real heritage and stuff invented to give gullible tourists something to gawp at. You'll be telling us you believe in Cornish pixies next.
Welsh is a Celtic language, the Celts were dominant over much of Europe before they were pushed out by the Romans, and those left after the fall of the Roman empire evolved and partnered surrounding tribes and later invading influences to become English.
The Welsh Language has a very long history and is not made up.
But if you like Llanmartinwhoever believe otherwise the I feel very sorry for you.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]letsgobarbie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh. How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it. If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.[/p][/quote]It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.[/p][/quote]Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales. Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol) Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline. Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations. Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history. In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams, If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs. One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying. I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense. .[/p][/quote]And what 'identity and culture' would that be? Women in stove-pipe hats and shawls and blokes wandering around in silk bed-linen reciting poetry? Give me a break. Have you any idea what the world would look like if everyone went back to the tribal boundaries of four or five hundred years back? Move on for pity sake.[/p][/quote]Who’s suggesting we go back and live in the past? Respecting ones history and investing in ones culture are perfectly honourable things to do, the English,Scots and Irish and most civilised countries of the world all do it. None of this however justifies a three-fold hike of a bus fare.[/p][/quote]If it's the genuine past yeah, why not. But surely even you can tell the difference between real heritage and stuff invented to give gullible tourists something to gawp at. You'll be telling us you believe in Cornish pixies next.[/p][/quote]Welsh is a Celtic language, the Celts were dominant over much of Europe before they were pushed out by the Romans, and those left after the fall of the Roman empire evolved and partnered surrounding tribes and later invading influences to become English. The Welsh Language has a very long history and is not made up. But if you like Llanmartinwhoever believe otherwise the I feel very sorry for you. topdog99
  • Score: 3

12:16am Sun 20 Jul 14

Stevenboy says...

topdog99 wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
letsgobarbie wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne






ss
wrote:
The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh.
How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it.

If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.
It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.
Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales.
Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol)
Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline.
Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations.
Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history.
In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams,
If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs.
One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying.
I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense.

.
And what 'identity and culture' would that be? Women in stove-pipe hats and shawls and blokes wandering around in silk bed-linen reciting poetry? Give me a break. Have you any idea what the world would look like if everyone went back to the tribal boundaries of four or five hundred years back? Move on for pity sake.
Who’s suggesting we go back and live in the past? Respecting ones history and investing in ones culture are perfectly honourable things to do, the English,Scots and Irish and most civilised countries of the world all do it.
None of this however justifies a three-fold hike of a bus fare.
If it's the genuine past yeah, why not. But surely even you can tell the difference between real heritage and stuff invented to give gullible tourists something to gawp at. You'll be telling us you believe in Cornish pixies next.
Welsh is a Celtic language, the Celts were dominant over much of Europe before they were pushed out by the Romans, and those left after the fall of the Roman empire evolved and partnered surrounding tribes and later invading influences to become English.
The Welsh Language has a very long history and is not made up.
But if you like Llanmartinwhoever believe otherwise the I feel very sorry for you.
I'm struggling to see where I said the language was made up. As current as Latin but not made up. But if you do see any ancient marauding Celts, as opposed to bards dressed in sheets or Myfanwy in her hat, you'll be sure to let some tourists know won't you?
[quote][p][bold]topdog99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]letsgobarbie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: The issue here is about a three-fold hike of a bus fare, not about welsh. How would you feel if your train fare to work increased not by a small amount each year but by a huge amount with no warning? (yes I know train fares are a rip off too) I’m sure you would be a bit cheesed off about it. If we are going to waffle on away from the issue, then why shouldn’t any self respecting country invest in its original native language, culture and history and why shouldn’t we have our own airport and passport office like England,Ireland & Scotland. It seems many who live in Wales are happy to sell themselves short.[/p][/quote]It isn't a country. The country is the UK. And the airport is no use to those in the East, for whom Bristol is closer, or Mid Wales, nearer Birmingham, or North Wales, Liverpool and Manchester. You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. That is only any use to self-serving politicians. After all, Wales' own parliament has been a barnstorming failure and an expensive one at that.[/p][/quote]Great Britain is divided into three countries, England, Scotland and Wales. Geography and history are obviously not your strong points. Historicly Wales is a country stolen by the English ( Appologies to you English,all friends now lol) Wale is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline. Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations. Wales is officially bilingual and proud of its Welsh language and history. In sport Wales has its own national teams many in international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales has its own national teams, If Wales is not a country then Ill go to the foot of our stairs. One thing I will agree on Wales has been under the thumb of England for a long time and but in history they never completely destroyed the Welsh identity and culture despite years of trying. I hope Scotland breaks away from its English chains because they have also had enough of this nonsense. .[/p][/quote]And what 'identity and culture' would that be? Women in stove-pipe hats and shawls and blokes wandering around in silk bed-linen reciting poetry? Give me a break. Have you any idea what the world would look like if everyone went back to the tribal boundaries of four or five hundred years back? Move on for pity sake.[/p][/quote]Who’s suggesting we go back and live in the past? Respecting ones history and investing in ones culture are perfectly honourable things to do, the English,Scots and Irish and most civilised countries of the world all do it. None of this however justifies a three-fold hike of a bus fare.[/p][/quote]If it's the genuine past yeah, why not. But surely even you can tell the difference between real heritage and stuff invented to give gullible tourists something to gawp at. You'll be telling us you believe in Cornish pixies next.[/p][/quote]Welsh is a Celtic language, the Celts were dominant over much of Europe before they were pushed out by the Romans, and those left after the fall of the Roman empire evolved and partnered surrounding tribes and later invading influences to become English. The Welsh Language has a very long history and is not made up. But if you like Llanmartinwhoever believe otherwise the I feel very sorry for you.[/p][/quote]I'm struggling to see where I said the language was made up. As current as Latin but not made up. But if you do see any ancient marauding Celts, as opposed to bards dressed in sheets or Myfanwy in her hat, you'll be sure to let some tourists know won't you? Stevenboy
  • Score: 3

5:50am Sun 20 Jul 14

letsgobarbie says...

The Irish are keen to capitalise on their quite recent History, in Belfast the Titanic Visitor Attraction draws in visitors from all over the world and that area of Ireland is doing very well out of it, The Scots have been drawing in visitors for years from all over the world to look for a monster on loch Ness and other lochs and lakes its brought in good money to the Scottish economy. London is full of History some real some made up, The Beatles tours bring in millions to London and Liverpool.
Promoting your country’s history and culture is a very shrewd move and sometimes you have to have a little imagination, the Spanish have done it successfully for years. Are you denying the Welsh a pitch at this? If it means increased tourism and local jobs then I will be happy to be a welsh coal miner for the day showing people around a museum it would sure beat doing the original labour intensive job. And if Ladies are to dress in traditional welsh costume to draw in visitors then its all good by me. St Fagans National History Museum is a fabulous place to visit and if you fail to enjoy it then there’s not much hope for you.
In 2008 National Museum Wales recorded its highest ever visitor figures across its seven museums for that year, nearly 1.7 million visits were made to the museums.
National Museum Wales said the rise could be attributed to the continued success of the free entry policy which is funded by the Welsh Assembly Government.
Remember if you promote your history and culture visitors will come and visitors will spend and that’s good news and we should be proud of our heritage, there’s too many people running themselves and their country down and those type of negative thinkers will only generate gloom.
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The Irish are keen to capitalise on their quite recent History, in Belfast the Titanic Visitor Attraction draws in visitors from all over the world and that area of Ireland is doing very well out of it, The Scots have been drawing in visitors for years from all over the world to look for a monster on loch Ness and other lochs and lakes its brought in good money to the Scottish economy. London is full of History some real some made up, The Beatles tours bring in millions to London and Liverpool. Promoting your country’s history and culture is a very shrewd move and sometimes you have to have a little imagination, the Spanish have done it successfully for years. Are you denying the Welsh a pitch at this? If it means increased tourism and local jobs then I will be happy to be a welsh coal miner for the day showing people around a museum it would sure beat doing the original labour intensive job. And if Ladies are to dress in traditional welsh costume to draw in visitors then its all good by me. St Fagans National History Museum is a fabulous place to visit and if you fail to enjoy it then there’s not much hope for you. In 2008 National Museum Wales recorded its highest ever visitor figures across its seven museums for that year, nearly 1.7 million visits were made to the museums. National Museum Wales said the rise could be attributed to the continued success of the free entry policy which is funded by the Welsh Assembly Government. Remember if you promote your history and culture visitors will come and visitors will spend and that’s good news and we should be proud of our heritage, there’s too many people running themselves and their country down and those type of negative thinkers will only generate gloom. . letsgobarbie
  • Score: 9

8:10am Sun 20 Jul 14

Stevenboy says...

letsgobarbie wrote:
The Irish are keen to capitalise on their quite recent History, in Belfast the Titanic Visitor Attraction draws in visitors from all over the world and that area of Ireland is doing very well out of it, The Scots have been drawing in visitors for years from all over the world to look for a monster on loch Ness and other lochs and lakes its brought in good money to the Scottish economy. London is full of History some real some made up, The Beatles tours bring in millions to London and Liverpool.
Promoting your country’s history and culture is a very shrewd move and sometimes you have to have a little imagination, the Spanish have done it successfully for years. Are you denying the Welsh a pitch at this? If it means increased tourism and local jobs then I will be happy to be a welsh coal miner for the day showing people around a museum it would sure beat doing the original labour intensive job. And if Ladies are to dress in traditional welsh costume to draw in visitors then its all good by me. St Fagans National History Museum is a fabulous place to visit and if you fail to enjoy it then there’s not much hope for you.
In 2008 National Museum Wales recorded its highest ever visitor figures across its seven museums for that year, nearly 1.7 million visits were made to the museums.
National Museum Wales said the rise could be attributed to the continued success of the free entry policy which is funded by the Welsh Assembly Government.
Remember if you promote your history and culture visitors will come and visitors will spend and that’s good news and we should be proud of our heritage, there’s too many people running themselves and their country down and those type of negative thinkers will only generate gloom.
.
Well a more balanced post. Look, the biggest annoyance of this forum is people replying to things that were never said and ignoring any pertinent questions they raise because those questions don't suit them. You're right that the kind of tourism you mention is 'saleable' and commonplace elsewhere. Every English festival seems to feature Morris Dancers doesn't it? So 'imagination' at work there too. When people talk about 'Welsh' music they invoke dewey-eyed notions of ancient harpists not the actual heritage of Bassey or the Manics, of which only the performance is local, their influences being anything but. Yes Wales was populated by Celts but it's now far more occupied by a melting pot of descendants of all races. Yet a language many of them have little interest in is forced on their kids, regardless of their wishes (one of the unanswered' questions). More people here go to rugby and football matches than ever attend an Eistedffodd. Shall we delude ourselves those sports are 'Welsh'? But yes, industrial museums, castles etc, fine got that. Not renaming every Welsh place at great cost just to pretend anyone ever refers to 'Usk' as 'Brynbuga'. That is just expensive arrant stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]letsgobarbie[/bold] wrote: The Irish are keen to capitalise on their quite recent History, in Belfast the Titanic Visitor Attraction draws in visitors from all over the world and that area of Ireland is doing very well out of it, The Scots have been drawing in visitors for years from all over the world to look for a monster on loch Ness and other lochs and lakes its brought in good money to the Scottish economy. London is full of History some real some made up, The Beatles tours bring in millions to London and Liverpool. Promoting your country’s history and culture is a very shrewd move and sometimes you have to have a little imagination, the Spanish have done it successfully for years. Are you denying the Welsh a pitch at this? If it means increased tourism and local jobs then I will be happy to be a welsh coal miner for the day showing people around a museum it would sure beat doing the original labour intensive job. And if Ladies are to dress in traditional welsh costume to draw in visitors then its all good by me. St Fagans National History Museum is a fabulous place to visit and if you fail to enjoy it then there’s not much hope for you. In 2008 National Museum Wales recorded its highest ever visitor figures across its seven museums for that year, nearly 1.7 million visits were made to the museums. National Museum Wales said the rise could be attributed to the continued success of the free entry policy which is funded by the Welsh Assembly Government. Remember if you promote your history and culture visitors will come and visitors will spend and that’s good news and we should be proud of our heritage, there’s too many people running themselves and their country down and those type of negative thinkers will only generate gloom. .[/p][/quote]Well a more balanced post. Look, the biggest annoyance of this forum is people replying to things that were never said and ignoring any pertinent questions they raise because those questions don't suit them. You're right that the kind of tourism you mention is 'saleable' and commonplace elsewhere. Every English festival seems to feature Morris Dancers doesn't it? So 'imagination' at work there too. When people talk about 'Welsh' music they invoke dewey-eyed notions of ancient harpists not the actual heritage of Bassey or the Manics, of which only the performance is local, their influences being anything but. Yes Wales was populated by Celts but it's now far more occupied by a melting pot of descendants of all races. Yet a language many of them have little interest in is forced on their kids, regardless of their wishes (one of the unanswered' questions). More people here go to rugby and football matches than ever attend an Eistedffodd. Shall we delude ourselves those sports are 'Welsh'? But yes, industrial museums, castles etc, fine got that. Not renaming every Welsh place at great cost just to pretend anyone ever refers to 'Usk' as 'Brynbuga'. That is just expensive arrant stupidity. Stevenboy
  • Score: 8

9:44am Sun 20 Jul 14

helper7 says...

Stevenboy wrote:
letsgobarbie wrote:
The Irish are keen to capitalise on their quite recent History, in Belfast the Titanic Visitor Attraction draws in visitors from all over the world and that area of Ireland is doing very well out of it, The Scots have been drawing in visitors for years from all over the world to look for a monster on loch Ness and other lochs and lakes its brought in good money to the Scottish economy. London is full of History some real some made up, The Beatles tours bring in millions to London and Liverpool.
Promoting your country’s history and culture is a very shrewd move and sometimes you have to have a little imagination, the Spanish have done it successfully for years. Are you denying the Welsh a pitch at this? If it means increased tourism and local jobs then I will be happy to be a welsh coal miner for the day showing people around a museum it would sure beat doing the original labour intensive job. And if Ladies are to dress in traditional welsh costume to draw in visitors then its all good by me. St Fagans National History Museum is a fabulous place to visit and if you fail to enjoy it then there’s not much hope for you.
In 2008 National Museum Wales recorded its highest ever visitor figures across its seven museums for that year, nearly 1.7 million visits were made to the museums.
National Museum Wales said the rise could be attributed to the continued success of the free entry policy which is funded by the Welsh Assembly Government.
Remember if you promote your history and culture visitors will come and visitors will spend and that’s good news and we should be proud of our heritage, there’s too many people running themselves and their country down and those type of negative thinkers will only generate gloom.
.
Well a more balanced post. Look, the biggest annoyance of this forum is people replying to things that were never said and ignoring any pertinent questions they raise because those questions don't suit them. You're right that the kind of tourism you mention is 'saleable' and commonplace elsewhere. Every English festival seems to feature Morris Dancers doesn't it? So 'imagination' at work there too. When people talk about 'Welsh' music they invoke dewey-eyed notions of ancient harpists not the actual heritage of Bassey or the Manics, of which only the performance is local, their influences being anything but. Yes Wales was populated by Celts but it's now far more occupied by a melting pot of descendants of all races. Yet a language many of them have little interest in is forced on their kids, regardless of their wishes (one of the unanswered' questions). More people here go to rugby and football matches than ever attend an Eistedffodd. Shall we delude ourselves those sports are 'Welsh'? But yes, industrial museums, castles etc, fine got that. Not renaming every Welsh place at great cost just to pretend anyone ever refers to 'Usk' as 'Brynbuga'. That is just expensive arrant stupidity.
Cultural Signposts are a good thing also, Ancient Roman place names and their modern equivalent can often be seen side by side in Italy, tourists find this most interesting and it enhances their knowledge which for many is why they go there in the first place. In Caerleon under the main signpost (been a wile since I checked) you will see Isca the Roman fortress town because someone had the vision to include it.
You may feel very familiar with Usk or any of the place names you see on a regular basis but the fact of the matter is there are a large number of welsh speakers who feel comfortable with what they know and are familiar with, many non welsh speakers are also in favour and many tourists find in interesting too, It does not cost a fortune to print in an extra name.
Welsh place names if you bother to research can often give you a glimmer of knowledge of the area and people who lived there and they are more interesting and enlightening than fairly mundane English ones.
KEEP WELSH SIGNS …. (I’m not a welsh speaker!)
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]letsgobarbie[/bold] wrote: The Irish are keen to capitalise on their quite recent History, in Belfast the Titanic Visitor Attraction draws in visitors from all over the world and that area of Ireland is doing very well out of it, The Scots have been drawing in visitors for years from all over the world to look for a monster on loch Ness and other lochs and lakes its brought in good money to the Scottish economy. London is full of History some real some made up, The Beatles tours bring in millions to London and Liverpool. Promoting your country’s history and culture is a very shrewd move and sometimes you have to have a little imagination, the Spanish have done it successfully for years. Are you denying the Welsh a pitch at this? If it means increased tourism and local jobs then I will be happy to be a welsh coal miner for the day showing people around a museum it would sure beat doing the original labour intensive job. And if Ladies are to dress in traditional welsh costume to draw in visitors then its all good by me. St Fagans National History Museum is a fabulous place to visit and if you fail to enjoy it then there’s not much hope for you. In 2008 National Museum Wales recorded its highest ever visitor figures across its seven museums for that year, nearly 1.7 million visits were made to the museums. National Museum Wales said the rise could be attributed to the continued success of the free entry policy which is funded by the Welsh Assembly Government. Remember if you promote your history and culture visitors will come and visitors will spend and that’s good news and we should be proud of our heritage, there’s too many people running themselves and their country down and those type of negative thinkers will only generate gloom. .[/p][/quote]Well a more balanced post. Look, the biggest annoyance of this forum is people replying to things that were never said and ignoring any pertinent questions they raise because those questions don't suit them. You're right that the kind of tourism you mention is 'saleable' and commonplace elsewhere. Every English festival seems to feature Morris Dancers doesn't it? So 'imagination' at work there too. When people talk about 'Welsh' music they invoke dewey-eyed notions of ancient harpists not the actual heritage of Bassey or the Manics, of which only the performance is local, their influences being anything but. Yes Wales was populated by Celts but it's now far more occupied by a melting pot of descendants of all races. Yet a language many of them have little interest in is forced on their kids, regardless of their wishes (one of the unanswered' questions). More people here go to rugby and football matches than ever attend an Eistedffodd. Shall we delude ourselves those sports are 'Welsh'? But yes, industrial museums, castles etc, fine got that. Not renaming every Welsh place at great cost just to pretend anyone ever refers to 'Usk' as 'Brynbuga'. That is just expensive arrant stupidity.[/p][/quote]Cultural Signposts are a good thing also, Ancient Roman place names and their modern equivalent can often be seen side by side in Italy, tourists find this most interesting and it enhances their knowledge which for many is why they go there in the first place. In Caerleon under the main signpost (been a wile since I checked) you will see Isca the Roman fortress town because someone had the vision to include it. You may feel very familiar with Usk or any of the place names you see on a regular basis but the fact of the matter is there are a large number of welsh speakers who feel comfortable with what they know and are familiar with, many non welsh speakers are also in favour and many tourists find in interesting too, It does not cost a fortune to print in an extra name. Welsh place names if you bother to research can often give you a glimmer of knowledge of the area and people who lived there and they are more interesting and enlightening than fairly mundane English ones. KEEP WELSH SIGNS …. (I’m not a welsh speaker!) helper7
  • Score: 4

12:52pm Sun 20 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Do they want us to pay for their transport then?
What are you on about. She said the cost of transport the previous year was fair, this is about an increase of £80 for transport per year nothing else
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: Do they want us to pay for their transport then?[/p][/quote]What are you on about. She said the cost of transport the previous year was fair, this is about an increase of £80 for transport per year nothing else mills191184
  • Score: 2

12:52pm Sun 20 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Do they want us to pay for their transport then?
What are you on about. She said the cost of transport the previous year was fair, this is about an increase of £80 for transport per year nothing else
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: Do they want us to pay for their transport then?[/p][/quote]What are you on about. She said the cost of transport the previous year was fair, this is about an increase of £80 for transport per year nothing else mills191184
  • Score: 2

12:56pm Sun 20 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
Don't waste your breathe with the people on here there saw the word Welsh then out came the usual comments despite the fact that the article is about the increase in transport costs.
[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]Don't waste your breathe with the people on here there saw the word Welsh then out came the usual comments despite the fact that the article is about the increase in transport costs. mills191184
  • Score: 2

12:57pm Sun 20 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Would your make the same comment if they sent their child to a English medium school outside their catchment area...I'm going to presume not
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Would your make the same comment if they sent their child to a English medium school outside their catchment area...I'm going to presume not mills191184
  • Score: 2

1:00pm Sun 20 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Stevenboy wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English.

I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area.

Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education".
No not many parents can afford £300, you could ask many single parents I can assure not every single one would be able to pay a ridiculous amount like that. Even if the welsh school is out of their catchment area. It has been rated much better than many schools in newport! So as a parent wanting the way for their child what wrong with sending them to a better school? Their asking for the prices to be cut little, I'm sorry but so much money gets spend on people who are not willing to work, and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves.
and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves'

But they aren't. If they were they'd learn a language spoken by hundreds of millions like French, Spanish or Mandarin, not one that's spoken as a hobby by around 100,00 people tops and used in business by no-one at all. The only job Welsh will buy you is one with a fat taxpayer subsidy stuck to it. Hardly a career choice.
I'd be curious to know if you'd be willing to give up English for Mandarin as more people speak Mandarin than English
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English. I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area. Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education".[/p][/quote]No not many parents can afford £300, you could ask many single parents I can assure not every single one would be able to pay a ridiculous amount like that. Even if the welsh school is out of their catchment area. It has been rated much better than many schools in newport! So as a parent wanting the way for their child what wrong with sending them to a better school? Their asking for the prices to be cut little, I'm sorry but so much money gets spend on people who are not willing to work, and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves.[/p][/quote]and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves' But they aren't. If they were they'd learn a language spoken by hundreds of millions like French, Spanish or Mandarin, not one that's spoken as a hobby by around 100,00 people tops and used in business by no-one at all. The only job Welsh will buy you is one with a fat taxpayer subsidy stuck to it. Hardly a career choice.[/p][/quote]I'd be curious to know if you'd be willing to give up English for Mandarin as more people speak Mandarin than English mills191184
  • Score: 0

1:03pm Sun 20 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Janssenk wrote:
I have two children in the same school I wanted them to speak welsh my choice as a parent my 27 year old did really well at this school.the council are punishing parents for there children attending a welsh school and want to stay on and do well I cannot pay nearly £700 for my children to travel to school and yes I work and have worked all my life .its a shocking price .
As you say, your choice. So why do you want other people to pay for it?
Who's paying for it, bloody read the article, its about the increase in cost (£80) not about making someone else pay for their children's transport costs.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Janssenk[/bold] wrote: I have two children in the same school I wanted them to speak welsh my choice as a parent my 27 year old did really well at this school.the council are punishing parents for there children attending a welsh school and want to stay on and do well I cannot pay nearly £700 for my children to travel to school and yes I work and have worked all my life .its a shocking price .[/p][/quote]As you say, your choice. So why do you want other people to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Who's paying for it, bloody read the article, its about the increase in cost (£80) not about making someone else pay for their children's transport costs. mills191184
  • Score: 1

1:08pm Sun 20 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
So it's ok for the council to harm a child's education by trying to get them to pay for something they can't afford but it's not ok for a child to miss a day off school (referring to parents face £60 truancy fees), since they are unable to get to school with the price increase will the parents still be fined £60? As think you have to be in school till your 18 now, or is there an age limit on truancy fees?
I don't know why you, (and the students) are complaining. By my calculations, the price of a full year's travel is now £500. If you divide that by 365 then you get less than £1.40/day - which is (far as I know) the cost of a Newport Transport, zone 1, one way ticket.

So, not only do you get a £150 reduction on that, you get return travel for free - from outside the zone travel area - and you think that's a bad deal?

Perhaps if the teenies sent a few less text messages to each other then they could afford the pennies a day increase.
What school did you go to, as children are not in school 365 days a year
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: So it's ok for the council to harm a child's education by trying to get them to pay for something they can't afford but it's not ok for a child to miss a day off school (referring to parents face £60 truancy fees), since they are unable to get to school with the price increase will the parents still be fined £60? As think you have to be in school till your 18 now, or is there an age limit on truancy fees?[/p][/quote]I don't know why you, (and the students) are complaining. By my calculations, the price of a full year's travel is now £500. If you divide that by 365 then you get less than £1.40/day - which is (far as I know) the cost of a Newport Transport, zone 1, one way ticket. So, not only do you get a £150 reduction on that, you get return travel for free - from outside the zone travel area - and you think that's a bad deal? Perhaps if the teenies sent a few less text messages to each other then they could afford the pennies a day increase.[/p][/quote]What school did you go to, as children are not in school 365 days a year mills191184
  • Score: 2

1:13pm Sun 20 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Llanmartingargoyle wrote:
The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only).
We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done.
Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me.
Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about.
We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.
How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartingargoyle[/bold] wrote: The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only). We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done. Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me. Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about. We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.[/p][/quote]How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it! mills191184
  • Score: 0

1:28pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Stevenboy says...

mills191184 wrote:
Llanmartingargoyle wrote:
The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only).
We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done.
Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me.
Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about.
We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.
How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it!
'Own language'? What, English you mean? Isn't that the one everyone speaks?
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartingargoyle[/bold] wrote: The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only). We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done. Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me. Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about. We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.[/p][/quote]How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it![/p][/quote]'Own language'? What, English you mean? Isn't that the one everyone speaks? Stevenboy
  • Score: -4

1:35pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Llanmartingargoyle says...

mills191184 wrote:
Llanmartingargoyle wrote:
The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only).
We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done.
Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me.
Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about.
We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.
How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it!
It isn't a country never has been. The country is the UK. Wales,Ireland & Scotland don’t exist . You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. Mythical Wales' own parliament has been a failure and an expensive one at that and I think quite a lot of it came out of my pocket.
Lets not promote a country that does not exist or take any more pennies from my purse.
Lets us not have any amenities that other countries take for granted, we don’t need them because mythical Wales is so small you can just jump in the old BMW and be in England at the blink of an eye.
We don’t need a passport office, what for? when we can quite happily wait months and months and months for our passports to be processed in England.
We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.
Its all labours fault for having social responsibility and spending my money on it.
Hard Working People..... Hard Work will Set You Free..... but you need to put in the zero hours first.
Just rejoice at that news
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartingargoyle[/bold] wrote: The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only). We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done. Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me. Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about. We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.[/p][/quote]How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it![/p][/quote]It isn't a country never has been. The country is the UK. Wales,Ireland & Scotland don’t exist . You're falling for the pretend nationhood theories of the separatists. Mythical Wales' own parliament has been a failure and an expensive one at that and I think quite a lot of it came out of my pocket. Lets not promote a country that does not exist or take any more pennies from my purse. Lets us not have any amenities that other countries take for granted, we don’t need them because mythical Wales is so small you can just jump in the old BMW and be in England at the blink of an eye. We don’t need a passport office, what for? when we can quite happily wait months and months and months for our passports to be processed in England. We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London. Its all labours fault for having social responsibility and spending my money on it. Hard Working People..... Hard Work will Set You Free..... but you need to put in the zero hours first. Just rejoice at that news Llanmartingargoyle
  • Score: 7

5:11pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

To totally stop this nonsense change the rules

For all School travel the fare for the first two miles has to be paid (Primary Schools) for Secondary Schools the fare for the first 3 miles has to be paid, any actual excess fare will be paid by the council but only for schools within the borough. If the schools is outside the borough the council only pays for the excess fare to the borough boundary
To totally stop this nonsense change the rules For all School travel the fare for the first two miles has to be paid (Primary Schools) for Secondary Schools the fare for the first 3 miles has to be paid, any actual excess fare will be paid by the council but only for schools within the borough. If the schools is outside the borough the council only pays for the excess fare to the borough boundary Bobevans
  • Score: 1

5:13pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English.

I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area.

Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education".
No not many parents can afford £300, you could ask many single parents I can assure not every single one would be able to pay a ridiculous amount like that. Even if the welsh school is out of their catchment area. It has been rated much better than many schools in newport! So as a parent wanting the way for their child what wrong with sending them to a better school? Their asking for the prices to be cut little, I'm sorry but so much money gets spend on people who are not willing to work, and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves.
Nothing wrong with them sending them to what ever school they like but don't expect the taxpayers to pick up their travel costs
[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]No doubt a job funded by WAG, translating things into Welsh for people who can already speak English. I would like to speak Welsh if I had the time, but it's an option not a necessity. The same as it was an option not a necessity for these children to attend school way outside of their normal catchment area. Sorry, but whilst I have sympathy for the children I have absolutely no sympathy for their situation. I am sure the parents can find £300 a year, or 82 pence a day, for these kids to "better their education".[/p][/quote]No not many parents can afford £300, you could ask many single parents I can assure not every single one would be able to pay a ridiculous amount like that. Even if the welsh school is out of their catchment area. It has been rated much better than many schools in newport! So as a parent wanting the way for their child what wrong with sending them to a better school? Their asking for the prices to be cut little, I'm sorry but so much money gets spend on people who are not willing to work, and these kids are simply trying to secure a successful future for themselves.[/p][/quote]Nothing wrong with them sending them to what ever school they like but don't expect the taxpayers to pick up their travel costs Bobevans
  • Score: -6

5:17pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

mills191184 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Do they want us to pay for their transport then?
What are you on about. She said the cost of transport the previous year was fair, this is about an increase of £80 for transport per year nothing else
The fair was previously heavily subsidised. They are removing the subsidy
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: Do they want us to pay for their transport then?[/p][/quote]What are you on about. She said the cost of transport the previous year was fair, this is about an increase of £80 for transport per year nothing else[/p][/quote]The fair was previously heavily subsidised. They are removing the subsidy Bobevans
  • Score: -6

6:20pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Llanmartingargoyle says...

mills191184 wrote:
Llanmartingargoyle wrote:
The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only).
We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done.
Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me.
Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about.
We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.
How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it!
Your a scorpio, unusual for a scorpio! Unless of course it was by another older wiser scorpio.? Or your defensive welsh passion has blanked out your senses.

In Chester, its legal to shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow inside city walls after midnight. In Hereford, you may not shoot a Welsh person on Sunday with a longbow in the Cathedral Close.
Placing a postage stamp that bears the Queen (or King) upside down is considered treason.
In York, excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow.

The Welsh Not or Welsh Note was a punishment used in some schools in Wales in the late 19th and early 20th century to dissuade children from speaking Welsh. It was represented as a piece of wood, inscribed with the letters "WN", that was hung around the necks of children who spoke Welsh during the school day.

The "not" was given to any child overheard speaking Welsh, who would pass it to a different child if they were overheard speaking Welsh. By the end of the day, the wearer of the "not" would be given a lashing. The purpose of the "not" was to discourage pupils from speaking Welsh, at a time when English was considered by some to be the only suitable medium of instruction.
The use of the "not" was recorded in the 18th century; it was also commonly known as the 'cwstom', the 'Welsh stick' and the 'Welsh lead'


All this dreamt up by the English .. but lets be fair a least it means we don’t have to speak blinking welsh.
So - there you have it! Stay safe, obey the law.
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartingargoyle[/bold] wrote: The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only). We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done. Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me. Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about. We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.[/p][/quote]How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it![/p][/quote]Your a scorpio, unusual for a scorpio! Unless of course it was by another older wiser scorpio.? Or your defensive welsh passion has blanked out your senses. In Chester, its legal to shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow inside city walls after midnight. In Hereford, you may not shoot a Welsh person on Sunday with a longbow in the Cathedral Close. Placing a postage stamp that bears the Queen (or King) upside down is considered treason. In York, excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow. The Welsh Not or Welsh Note was a punishment used in some schools in Wales in the late 19th and early 20th century to dissuade children from speaking Welsh. It was represented as a piece of wood, inscribed with the letters "WN", that was hung around the necks of children who spoke Welsh during the school day. The "not" was given to any child overheard speaking Welsh, who would pass it to a different child if they were overheard speaking Welsh. By the end of the day, the wearer of the "not" would be given a lashing. The purpose of the "not" was to discourage pupils from speaking Welsh, at a time when English was considered by some to be the only suitable medium of instruction. The use of the "not" was recorded in the 18th century; it was also commonly known as the 'cwstom', the 'Welsh stick' and the 'Welsh lead' All this dreamt up by the English .. but lets be fair a least it means we don’t have to speak blinking welsh. So - there you have it! Stay safe, obey the law. Llanmartingargoyle
  • Score: 7

6:28pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Llanmartingargoyle says...

"mills191184"
Of course NW these days means Newport ***kers
"mills191184" Of course NW these days means Newport ***kers Llanmartingargoyle
  • Score: 3

6:49pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Torfaenwr says...

3 clarifications:

1. The new fees are "priced at £347 a year – up from £80 last year".
For those who are hard of maths this is an increase of £267, or well over triple last year's rate.

2. These kids are not exercising a choice to 'go out of county' - this school is the nearest (and only) suitable school. Although it is physically within Torfaen's boundaries, it is their catchment Welsh medium school. This is what Newport and Monmouthshire have provided for their residents, opting to pay Torfaen to provide (and to extend the school again and again) instead of providing a more local facility themselves as they should do, and as we have campaigned for them to do. The status quo is far from ideal, not what parents would choose, and cannot continue, as Gwynllyw cannot cope with the huge demand, or be extended further, hence the forthcoming provision in Dyffryn at long last.

3. These kids are disproportionately affected by this huge increase: every one of them has no choice but to use this bus service because their only suitable school is in a remote location nowhere near their homes.
3 clarifications: 1. The new fees are "priced at £347 a year – up from £80 last year". For those who are hard of maths this is an increase of £267, or well over triple last year's rate. 2. These kids are not exercising a choice to 'go out of county' - this school is the nearest (and only) suitable school. Although it is physically within Torfaen's boundaries, it is their catchment Welsh medium school. This is what Newport and Monmouthshire have provided for their residents, opting to pay Torfaen to provide (and to extend the school again and again) instead of providing a more local facility themselves as they should do, and as we have campaigned for them to do. The status quo is far from ideal, not what parents would choose, and cannot continue, as Gwynllyw cannot cope with the huge demand, or be extended further, hence the forthcoming provision in Dyffryn at long last. 3. These kids are disproportionately affected by this huge increase: every one of them has no choice but to use this bus service because their only suitable school is in a remote location nowhere near their homes. Torfaenwr
  • Score: 43

8:08pm Sun 20 Jul 14

welshmen says...

The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP....
The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP.... welshmen
  • Score: -69

8:26pm Sun 20 Jul 14

PrivateTom10000001 says...

welshmen wrote:
The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP....
More racist comments that we can do without, expect Diarrear any time soon!
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP....[/p][/quote]More racist comments that we can do without, expect Diarrear any time soon! PrivateTom10000001
  • Score: 27

8:44pm Sun 20 Jul 14

PrivateTom10000001 says...

TheBritish Spitfire pilots are having an easy time shooting down the feared racists. It's like shooting rats in a barrel. But beware they are undercover and corrupting many, some even claim to be welshmen! I trust you fellow countrymen to patrol the cyber war zones to keep old blighty safe. Good luck and may your god be with you.
Bumps-a daisy. It's enough to make ya weep
TheBritish Spitfire pilots are having an easy time shooting down the feared racists. It's like shooting rats in a barrel. But beware they are undercover and corrupting many, some even claim to be welshmen! I trust you fellow countrymen to patrol the cyber war zones to keep old blighty safe. Good luck and may your god be with you. Bumps-a daisy. It's enough to make ya weep PrivateTom10000001
  • Score: 24

9:31pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

Torfaenwr wrote:
3 clarifications:

1. The new fees are "priced at £347 a year – up from £80 last year".
For those who are hard of maths this is an increase of £267, or well over triple last year's rate.

2. These kids are not exercising a choice to 'go out of county' - this school is the nearest (and only) suitable school. Although it is physically within Torfaen's boundaries, it is their catchment Welsh medium school. This is what Newport and Monmouthshire have provided for their residents, opting to pay Torfaen to provide (and to extend the school again and again) instead of providing a more local facility themselves as they should do, and as we have campaigned for them to do. The status quo is far from ideal, not what parents would choose, and cannot continue, as Gwynllyw cannot cope with the huge demand, or be extended further, hence the forthcoming provision in Dyffryn at long last.

3. These kids are disproportionately affected by this huge increase: every one of them has no choice but to use this bus service because their only suitable school is in a remote location nowhere near their homes.
Your choice so you have to pay. Why do you expect the taxpayers to pick up the tab for your childrens bus fares?
[quote][p][bold]Torfaenwr[/bold] wrote: 3 clarifications: 1. The new fees are "priced at £347 a year – up from £80 last year". For those who are hard of maths this is an increase of £267, or well over triple last year's rate. 2. These kids are not exercising a choice to 'go out of county' - this school is the nearest (and only) suitable school. Although it is physically within Torfaen's boundaries, it is their catchment Welsh medium school. This is what Newport and Monmouthshire have provided for their residents, opting to pay Torfaen to provide (and to extend the school again and again) instead of providing a more local facility themselves as they should do, and as we have campaigned for them to do. The status quo is far from ideal, not what parents would choose, and cannot continue, as Gwynllyw cannot cope with the huge demand, or be extended further, hence the forthcoming provision in Dyffryn at long last. 3. These kids are disproportionately affected by this huge increase: every one of them has no choice but to use this bus service because their only suitable school is in a remote location nowhere near their homes.[/p][/quote]Your choice so you have to pay. Why do you expect the taxpayers to pick up the tab for your childrens bus fares? Bobevans
  • Score: -8

9:34pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

WELSH BUDDAH wrote:
It the anti Welsh that gets to me what is wrong with people wanting to learn through the Welsh education system? And yes all the fees in school transport is changing and the milage is certain boroughs. And the rise in people wanting a Welsh education grows year after year, in some areas there is insufficient places and that is in Gwent. And the Argus yet again does a story that makes the Welsh Education system look bad but I know from experience that this education is a great one from meeting teenagers to adults who attended Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw. And I can only assume that in certain education people don't care or the SWA is anti Welsh because this situation is going to affect every 6th form child in Gwent and other areas.
Nothing is wrong with that but it comes with a big price tag and it is only fair that those that want it pay for it. Don't grumble when you get the bill. There is more to come
[quote][p][bold]WELSH BUDDAH[/bold] wrote: It the anti Welsh that gets to me what is wrong with people wanting to learn through the Welsh education system? And yes all the fees in school transport is changing and the milage is certain boroughs. And the rise in people wanting a Welsh education grows year after year, in some areas there is insufficient places and that is in Gwent. And the Argus yet again does a story that makes the Welsh Education system look bad but I know from experience that this education is a great one from meeting teenagers to adults who attended Ysgol Gyfun Gwynllyw. And I can only assume that in certain education people don't care or the SWA is anti Welsh because this situation is going to affect every 6th form child in Gwent and other areas.[/p][/quote]Nothing is wrong with that but it comes with a big price tag and it is only fair that those that want it pay for it. Don't grumble when you get the bill. There is more to come Bobevans
  • Score: -12

7:22pm Mon 21 Jul 14

welshmen says...

PrivateTom10000001 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP....
More racist comments that we can do without, expect Diarrear any time soon!
Must cost you a fortune ringing round your mates to thumb down....you can't debate, out comes the Race card, haven't got a clue about the story just aim the race card, typical UAF/Hope Not Hate, yet your the hater, hate any Welsh kids getting help with Bus fares, £347.00 up from £80.00 last year, these Welsh School Children need to travel to their Pontypool Welsh School to finish their studies, your the racist, racist against these Welsh children getting help....

Going with out food for nineteen hours a day to celebrate your yearly Ramadan isn't doing your brain any favours....
[quote][p][bold]PrivateTom10000001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP....[/p][/quote]More racist comments that we can do without, expect Diarrear any time soon![/p][/quote]Must cost you a fortune ringing round your mates to thumb down....you can't debate, out comes the Race card, haven't got a clue about the story just aim the race card, typical UAF/Hope Not Hate, yet your the hater, hate any Welsh kids getting help with Bus fares, £347.00 up from £80.00 last year, these Welsh School Children need to travel to their Pontypool Welsh School to finish their studies, your the racist, racist against these Welsh children getting help.... Going with out food for nineteen hours a day to celebrate your yearly Ramadan isn't doing your brain any favours.... welshmen
  • Score: -14

8:16am Tue 22 Jul 14

AB says...

Always look further into any issue. Newport Bus may operate the vehicles, however, Newport City Council is the 99% shareholder! Therefore it may be considered that NCC call the shots.
Always look further into any issue. Newport Bus may operate the vehicles, however, Newport City Council is the 99% shareholder! Therefore it may be considered that NCC call the shots. AB
  • Score: 0

9:23am Tue 22 Jul 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

taxi cwmbran wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Your parents SHOULD have taught you how to spell better in English.
It was a typing error, not a spelling error.
[quote][p][bold]taxi cwmbran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Your parents SHOULD have taught you how to spell better in English.[/p][/quote]It was a typing error, not a spelling error. Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: 2

12:31pm Tue 22 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
Any language that has had £billions spent on it in ten years yet is still in decline may not be actually dead but the hugely expensive life support machine isn't working. Let me guess, is your new job being paid out of taxes?
Does it matter how much is spent on it! It's the language of our country! Children shouldn't be deprived of the advantage and pride of being able to their own country's language.
The country is the UK (Wales never was), and it matters when people are dying on waiting lists for the want of those £billions. It also matters that parents who don't want their kids taught Welsh are denied that choice yet are asked to subsidise a minority. Of 1.4 million Welsh customers of National Savings only 107 opted to use their Welsh Language service. How dead do you want?
http://www.languaget

rainers.co.uk/blog/2

013/04/01/government

-agency-ceasing-use-

of-welsh-language/
Why pick National Savings customers to illustrate your point?
Could it be that maybe Welsh speakers don't use National Savings as they are too poor from having to pay inflated bus prices to travel to learn Welsh.
You live in Wales. Take pride in it's culture and heritage. Welsh language is an integral part of that. Wales is far bigger than just that little offshoot of England that is Newport.
You probably have never travelled further than Newport to sign on (I can tell - your very narrow minded views give you away), but I can assure you the Welsh language is very much alive in large parts of Wales. Should children wishing to learn by English medium be forced to pay for transport to their schools of choice in those areas then?
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]Any language that has had £billions spent on it in ten years yet is still in decline may not be actually dead but the hugely expensive life support machine isn't working. Let me guess, is your new job being paid out of taxes?[/p][/quote]Does it matter how much is spent on it! It's the language of our country! Children shouldn't be deprived of the advantage and pride of being able to their own country's language.[/p][/quote]The country is the UK (Wales never was), and it matters when people are dying on waiting lists for the want of those £billions. It also matters that parents who don't want their kids taught Welsh are denied that choice yet are asked to subsidise a minority. Of 1.4 million Welsh customers of National Savings only 107 opted to use their Welsh Language service. How dead do you want? http://www.languaget rainers.co.uk/blog/2 013/04/01/government -agency-ceasing-use- of-welsh-language/[/p][/quote]Why pick National Savings customers to illustrate your point? Could it be that maybe Welsh speakers don't use National Savings as they are too poor from having to pay inflated bus prices to travel to learn Welsh. You live in Wales. Take pride in it's culture and heritage. Welsh language is an integral part of that. Wales is far bigger than just that little offshoot of England that is Newport. You probably have never travelled further than Newport to sign on (I can tell - your very narrow minded views give you away), but I can assure you the Welsh language is very much alive in large parts of Wales. Should children wishing to learn by English medium be forced to pay for transport to their schools of choice in those areas then? jimmytheone2
  • Score: 0

12:37pm Tue 22 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Roger Elliot wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school!
Incidentally, how 'racism'? It isn't a 'race' for a start and it's a discussion about language and public spending priorities. And if someone living in the region currently known as Wales criticises how their taxes (that they pay here) are spent, then isn't that overuse of the already massively overused 'R' word to an unprecedented extreme?
Maybe you've got form in that area.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school![/p][/quote]Incidentally, how 'racism'? It isn't a 'race' for a start and it's a discussion about language and public spending priorities. And if someone living in the region currently known as Wales criticises how their taxes (that they pay here) are spent, then isn't that overuse of the already massively overused 'R' word to an unprecedented extreme?[/p][/quote]Maybe you've got form in that area. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -1

12:39pm Tue 22 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
It's too far to jog, that's why they need to catch a bus.
Duh!
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]It's too far to jog, that's why they need to catch a bus. Duh! jimmytheone2
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Tue 22 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Spot on. Ps Can someone subsidise my lifestyle choice of sending my kids to private school please?
Oh, is it a private school that they're going to?
It's just it didn't say that in the article, and I wouldn't have thought this is a private school.
But there again, you know best. We've seen that on so many occasions.
But if it's not a private school, what's your point?
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Ps Can someone subsidise my lifestyle choice of sending my kids to private school please?[/p][/quote]Oh, is it a private school that they're going to? It's just it didn't say that in the article, and I wouldn't have thought this is a private school. But there again, you know best. We've seen that on so many occasions. But if it's not a private school, what's your point? jimmytheone2
  • Score: 1

12:50pm Tue 22 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Roger Elliot wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school!
Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think?

http://www.languaget



rainers.co.uk/blog/2



013/04/01/government



-agency-ceasing-use-



of-welsh-language/
If the language is so "dead" then why is Gwynllyw currently full and a new welsh school is being opened in newport? There is such a high demand for children to learn the language!
A fashion statement for parents with odd senses of priority perhaps. And you still haven't said which taxpayer funded job nor explained away the actual usage stats.
When we're stuck for an answer, we'll blame high demand for Welsh language schooling on a "fashion statement".
I think I've heard it all now.
You stick to repeating your National Savings statistics.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roger Elliot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]Oh the "Little Englander" racism! It's not a dead language that was a lie we were told in school![/p][/quote]Why only 107 takers for NSA Welsh language service then? (See link below). Or why only 3% of Wales population able to use the Welsh option on a bank machine? Or one third of S4C programmes with zero measurable audience? That's fairly dead wouldn't you think? http://www.languaget rainers.co.uk/blog/2 013/04/01/government -agency-ceasing-use- of-welsh-language/[/p][/quote]If the language is so "dead" then why is Gwynllyw currently full and a new welsh school is being opened in newport? There is such a high demand for children to learn the language![/p][/quote]A fashion statement for parents with odd senses of priority perhaps. And you still haven't said which taxpayer funded job nor explained away the actual usage stats.[/p][/quote]When we're stuck for an answer, we'll blame high demand for Welsh language schooling on a "fashion statement". I think I've heard it all now. You stick to repeating your National Savings statistics. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 2

1:11pm Tue 22 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Rjames27 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Rjames27 wrote:
It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.
I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.
I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.
'The issue here is about choice. '
So why, if I send my kids to a state school here, do I not have the 'choice' to opt out? Why did NSA, who were funding a service no-one was using, at huge expense (being borne by their customers), not have the 'choice' to abandon it?
Opt out of what?

You opted out of talking any sense years ago.

Not the bloody National Savings figures again! Is that all you have?
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.[/p][/quote]I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.[/p][/quote]'The issue here is about choice. ' So why, if I send my kids to a state school here, do I not have the 'choice' to opt out? Why did NSA, who were funding a service no-one was using, at huge expense (being borne by their customers), not have the 'choice' to abandon it?[/p][/quote]Opt out of what? You opted out of talking any sense years ago. Not the bloody National Savings figures again! Is that all you have? jimmytheone2
  • Score: 1

1:15pm Tue 22 Jul 14

mills191184 says...

Llanmartingargoyle wrote:
mills191184 wrote:
Llanmartingargoyle wrote:
The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only).
We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done.
Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me.
Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about.
We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.
How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it!
Your a scorpio, unusual for a scorpio! Unless of course it was by another older wiser scorpio.? Or your defensive welsh passion has blanked out your senses.

In Chester, its legal to shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow inside city walls after midnight. In Hereford, you may not shoot a Welsh person on Sunday with a longbow in the Cathedral Close.
Placing a postage stamp that bears the Queen (or King) upside down is considered treason.
In York, excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow.

The Welsh Not or Welsh Note was a punishment used in some schools in Wales in the late 19th and early 20th century to dissuade children from speaking Welsh. It was represented as a piece of wood, inscribed with the letters "WN", that was hung around the necks of children who spoke Welsh during the school day.

The "not" was given to any child overheard speaking Welsh, who would pass it to a different child if they were overheard speaking Welsh. By the end of the day, the wearer of the "not" would be given a lashing. The purpose of the "not" was to discourage pupils from speaking Welsh, at a time when English was considered by some to be the only suitable medium of instruction.
The use of the "not" was recorded in the 18th century; it was also commonly known as the 'cwstom', the 'Welsh stick' and the 'Welsh lead'


All this dreamt up by the English .. but lets be fair a least it means we don’t have to speak blinking welsh.
So - there you have it! Stay safe, obey the law.
I'm familiarly with Welsh history so please don't patronise me.

Besides if it wasn't for the Celts you would all be speaking French.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartingargoyle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartingargoyle[/bold] wrote: The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only). We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done. Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me. Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about. We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.[/p][/quote]How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it![/p][/quote]Your a scorpio, unusual for a scorpio! Unless of course it was by another older wiser scorpio.? Or your defensive welsh passion has blanked out your senses. In Chester, its legal to shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow inside city walls after midnight. In Hereford, you may not shoot a Welsh person on Sunday with a longbow in the Cathedral Close. Placing a postage stamp that bears the Queen (or King) upside down is considered treason. In York, excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow. The Welsh Not or Welsh Note was a punishment used in some schools in Wales in the late 19th and early 20th century to dissuade children from speaking Welsh. It was represented as a piece of wood, inscribed with the letters "WN", that was hung around the necks of children who spoke Welsh during the school day. The "not" was given to any child overheard speaking Welsh, who would pass it to a different child if they were overheard speaking Welsh. By the end of the day, the wearer of the "not" would be given a lashing. The purpose of the "not" was to discourage pupils from speaking Welsh, at a time when English was considered by some to be the only suitable medium of instruction. The use of the "not" was recorded in the 18th century; it was also commonly known as the 'cwstom', the 'Welsh stick' and the 'Welsh lead' All this dreamt up by the English .. but lets be fair a least it means we don’t have to speak blinking welsh. So - there you have it! Stay safe, obey the law.[/p][/quote]I'm familiarly with Welsh history so please don't patronise me. Besides if it wasn't for the Celts you would all be speaking French. mills191184
  • Score: 1

3:09pm Tue 22 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP....
This must be a record on the Argus - 69 thumbs down! And I've not even added my vote yet!
Well done Welshmen, you've beaten your previous record. You must be very proud.
No doubt you'll be back on soon to tell anyone who'll listen that these people who gave you the thumbs down are commies, British haters, tree huggers, softy liberals, liberal elite, non-believers, blah, blah. They're not true patriots are they?
If we don't hear from you this week, I'll assume you've pushed Kevin too far, and he's finally snapped and banished you forever from the Argus. If so, I'll get a petition going to get you reinstated as we'll miss your tolerance, good humour and fair minded approach to all issues. But most of all we'll miss you giving us a good laugh with your cut and paste ramblings.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP....[/p][/quote]This must be a record on the Argus - 69 thumbs down! And I've not even added my vote yet! Well done Welshmen, you've beaten your previous record. You must be very proud. No doubt you'll be back on soon to tell anyone who'll listen that these people who gave you the thumbs down are commies, British haters, tree huggers, softy liberals, liberal elite, non-believers, blah, blah. They're not true patriots are they? If we don't hear from you this week, I'll assume you've pushed Kevin too far, and he's finally snapped and banished you forever from the Argus. If so, I'll get a petition going to get you reinstated as we'll miss your tolerance, good humour and fair minded approach to all issues. But most of all we'll miss you giving us a good laugh with your cut and paste ramblings. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 5

5:11pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Llanmartingargoyle says...

mills191184 wrote:
Llanmartingargoyle wrote:
mills191184 wrote:
Llanmartingargoyle wrote:
The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only).
We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done.
Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me.
Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about.
We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.
How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it!
Your a scorpio, unusual for a scorpio! Unless of course it was by another older wiser scorpio.? Or your defensive welsh passion has blanked out your senses.

In Chester, its legal to shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow inside city walls after midnight. In Hereford, you may not shoot a Welsh person on Sunday with a longbow in the Cathedral Close.
Placing a postage stamp that bears the Queen (or King) upside down is considered treason.
In York, excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow.

The Welsh Not or Welsh Note was a punishment used in some schools in Wales in the late 19th and early 20th century to dissuade children from speaking Welsh. It was represented as a piece of wood, inscribed with the letters "WN", that was hung around the necks of children who spoke Welsh during the school day.

The "not" was given to any child overheard speaking Welsh, who would pass it to a different child if they were overheard speaking Welsh. By the end of the day, the wearer of the "not" would be given a lashing. The purpose of the "not" was to discourage pupils from speaking Welsh, at a time when English was considered by some to be the only suitable medium of instruction.
The use of the "not" was recorded in the 18th century; it was also commonly known as the 'cwstom', the 'Welsh stick' and the 'Welsh lead'


All this dreamt up by the English .. but lets be fair a least it means we don’t have to speak blinking welsh.
So - there you have it! Stay safe, obey the law.
I'm familiarly with Welsh history so please don't patronise me.

Besides if it wasn't for the Celts you would all be speaking French.
You really need to chill bro.
You cant see the wood for the trees!
I love the French! they know how to stand up for their culture,identity and country.

"Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb galon, Cymru Am Byth!
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartingargoyle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartingargoyle[/bold] wrote: The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only). We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done. Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me. Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about. We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.[/p][/quote]How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it![/p][/quote]Your a scorpio, unusual for a scorpio! Unless of course it was by another older wiser scorpio.? Or your defensive welsh passion has blanked out your senses. In Chester, its legal to shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow inside city walls after midnight. In Hereford, you may not shoot a Welsh person on Sunday with a longbow in the Cathedral Close. Placing a postage stamp that bears the Queen (or King) upside down is considered treason. In York, excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow. The Welsh Not or Welsh Note was a punishment used in some schools in Wales in the late 19th and early 20th century to dissuade children from speaking Welsh. It was represented as a piece of wood, inscribed with the letters "WN", that was hung around the necks of children who spoke Welsh during the school day. The "not" was given to any child overheard speaking Welsh, who would pass it to a different child if they were overheard speaking Welsh. By the end of the day, the wearer of the "not" would be given a lashing. The purpose of the "not" was to discourage pupils from speaking Welsh, at a time when English was considered by some to be the only suitable medium of instruction. The use of the "not" was recorded in the 18th century; it was also commonly known as the 'cwstom', the 'Welsh stick' and the 'Welsh lead' All this dreamt up by the English .. but lets be fair a least it means we don’t have to speak blinking welsh. So - there you have it! Stay safe, obey the law.[/p][/quote]I'm familiarly with Welsh history so please don't patronise me. Besides if it wasn't for the Celts you would all be speaking French.[/p][/quote]You really need to chill bro. You cant see the wood for the trees! I love the French! they know how to stand up for their culture,identity and country. "Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb galon, Cymru Am Byth! Llanmartingargoyle
  • Score: 7

5:30pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Llanmartingargoyle says...

Llanmartingargoyle wrote:
mills191184 wrote:
Llanmartingargoyle wrote:
mills191184 wrote:
Llanmartingargoyle wrote:
The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only).
We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done.
Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me.
Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about.
We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.
How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it!
Your a scorpio, unusual for a scorpio! Unless of course it was by another older wiser scorpio.? Or your defensive welsh passion has blanked out your senses.

In Chester, its legal to shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow inside city walls after midnight. In Hereford, you may not shoot a Welsh person on Sunday with a longbow in the Cathedral Close.
Placing a postage stamp that bears the Queen (or King) upside down is considered treason.
In York, excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow.

The Welsh Not or Welsh Note was a punishment used in some schools in Wales in the late 19th and early 20th century to dissuade children from speaking Welsh. It was represented as a piece of wood, inscribed with the letters "WN", that was hung around the necks of children who spoke Welsh during the school day.

The "not" was given to any child overheard speaking Welsh, who would pass it to a different child if they were overheard speaking Welsh. By the end of the day, the wearer of the "not" would be given a lashing. The purpose of the "not" was to discourage pupils from speaking Welsh, at a time when English was considered by some to be the only suitable medium of instruction.
The use of the "not" was recorded in the 18th century; it was also commonly known as the 'cwstom', the 'Welsh stick' and the 'Welsh lead'


All this dreamt up by the English .. but lets be fair a least it means we don’t have to speak blinking welsh.
So - there you have it! Stay safe, obey the law.
I'm familiarly with Welsh history so please don't patronise me.

Besides if it wasn't for the Celts you would all be speaking French.
You really need to chill bro.
You cant see the wood for the trees!
I love the French! they know how to stand up for their culture,identity and country.

"Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb galon, Cymru Am Byth!
PS
Brittany is France's Celtic connection.
Lots of people outside of France are familiar with Asterix the Gaul, his band men, and their exploits against the Roman invader.
Thought you said you knew your history!
Anyways take care.......
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartingargoyle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartingargoyle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartingargoyle[/bold] wrote: The Welsh language should be illegal, and I promote shooting of welsh people who stray into town, with a bow and arrow (on Sundays only). We should not spend a penny on anything that promotes Wales, Wales does not exist anyway,never has done. Poor English speakers trying to learn Welsh and take an interest in the mythical country they live in called Wales should get treatment but defiantly not funded on the NHS or paid for in any way by me. Labour are to blame for everything and probably made Wales up! To give the poor something to dream about. We don’t need an Airport, we can travel to Bristol and take all our money there and help the UK economy further south or better still why not travel directly from London.[/p][/quote]How we shoot anyone calling themselves Welsh even though they dont know anything about their own language, history and culture. How about you just call yourselves English and be done with it![/p][/quote]Your a scorpio, unusual for a scorpio! Unless of course it was by another older wiser scorpio.? Or your defensive welsh passion has blanked out your senses. In Chester, its legal to shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow inside city walls after midnight. In Hereford, you may not shoot a Welsh person on Sunday with a longbow in the Cathedral Close. Placing a postage stamp that bears the Queen (or King) upside down is considered treason. In York, excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow. The Welsh Not or Welsh Note was a punishment used in some schools in Wales in the late 19th and early 20th century to dissuade children from speaking Welsh. It was represented as a piece of wood, inscribed with the letters "WN", that was hung around the necks of children who spoke Welsh during the school day. The "not" was given to any child overheard speaking Welsh, who would pass it to a different child if they were overheard speaking Welsh. By the end of the day, the wearer of the "not" would be given a lashing. The purpose of the "not" was to discourage pupils from speaking Welsh, at a time when English was considered by some to be the only suitable medium of instruction. The use of the "not" was recorded in the 18th century; it was also commonly known as the 'cwstom', the 'Welsh stick' and the 'Welsh lead' All this dreamt up by the English .. but lets be fair a least it means we don’t have to speak blinking welsh. So - there you have it! Stay safe, obey the law.[/p][/quote]I'm familiarly with Welsh history so please don't patronise me. Besides if it wasn't for the Celts you would all be speaking French.[/p][/quote]You really need to chill bro. You cant see the wood for the trees! I love the French! they know how to stand up for their culture,identity and country. "Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb galon, Cymru Am Byth![/p][/quote]PS Brittany is France's Celtic connection. Lots of people outside of France are familiar with Asterix the Gaul, his band men, and their exploits against the Roman invader. Thought you said you knew your history! Anyways take care....... Llanmartingargoyle
  • Score: 4

6:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

welshmen says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP....
This must be a record on the Argus - 69 thumbs down! And I've not even added my vote yet!
Well done Welshmen, you've beaten your previous record. You must be very proud.
No doubt you'll be back on soon to tell anyone who'll listen that these people who gave you the thumbs down are commies, British haters, tree huggers, softy liberals, liberal elite, non-believers, blah, blah. They're not true patriots are they?
If we don't hear from you this week, I'll assume you've pushed Kevin too far, and he's finally snapped and banished you forever from the Argus. If so, I'll get a petition going to get you reinstated as we'll miss your tolerance, good humour and fair minded approach to all issues. But most of all we'll miss you giving us a good laugh with your cut and paste ramblings.
The kind of people on here who wont support more cash aid to get the School Children to their Welsh School are the lowest of the low, scum of the earth and probably ENGLISH just like the idiot who's netted more thumb's down than anybody on here jimmynobrain2, you keep using the we, we'll in your posts to me and others, I think it's more just you, you support with your kind the very people who want our Country to fail, probably fail to further your warped ideology, you post nothing, you don't put forward any constructive idea, here's one for you, even a thicko like you can answer this, what political party should win the next General election? and why?, there you go simple as simple gets, not to hard for you I hope, although a little taxing try and put some though into it, not just your usual one liners of nothing....
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP....[/p][/quote]This must be a record on the Argus - 69 thumbs down! And I've not even added my vote yet! Well done Welshmen, you've beaten your previous record. You must be very proud. No doubt you'll be back on soon to tell anyone who'll listen that these people who gave you the thumbs down are commies, British haters, tree huggers, softy liberals, liberal elite, non-believers, blah, blah. They're not true patriots are they? If we don't hear from you this week, I'll assume you've pushed Kevin too far, and he's finally snapped and banished you forever from the Argus. If so, I'll get a petition going to get you reinstated as we'll miss your tolerance, good humour and fair minded approach to all issues. But most of all we'll miss you giving us a good laugh with your cut and paste ramblings.[/p][/quote]The kind of people on here who wont support more cash aid to get the School Children to their Welsh School are the lowest of the low, scum of the earth and probably ENGLISH just like the idiot who's netted more thumb's down than anybody on here jimmynobrain2, you keep using the we, we'll in your posts to me and others, I think it's more just you, you support with your kind the very people who want our Country to fail, probably fail to further your warped ideology, you post nothing, you don't put forward any constructive idea, here's one for you, even a thicko like you can answer this, what political party should win the next General election? and why?, there you go simple as simple gets, not to hard for you I hope, although a little taxing try and put some though into it, not just your usual one liners of nothing.... welshmen
  • Score: -6

11:10pm Tue 22 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP....
This must be a record on the Argus - 69 thumbs down! And I've not even added my vote yet!
Well done Welshmen, you've beaten your previous record. You must be very proud.
No doubt you'll be back on soon to tell anyone who'll listen that these people who gave you the thumbs down are commies, British haters, tree huggers, softy liberals, liberal elite, non-believers, blah, blah. They're not true patriots are they?
If we don't hear from you this week, I'll assume you've pushed Kevin too far, and he's finally snapped and banished you forever from the Argus. If so, I'll get a petition going to get you reinstated as we'll miss your tolerance, good humour and fair minded approach to all issues. But most of all we'll miss you giving us a good laugh with your cut and paste ramblings.
The kind of people on here who wont support more cash aid to get the School Children to their Welsh School are the lowest of the low, scum of the earth and probably ENGLISH just like the idiot who's netted more thumb's down than anybody on here jimmynobrain2, you keep using the we, we'll in your posts to me and others, I think it's more just you, you support with your kind the very people who want our Country to fail, probably fail to further your warped ideology, you post nothing, you don't put forward any constructive idea, here's one for you, even a thicko like you can answer this, what political party should win the next General election? and why?, there you go simple as simple gets, not to hard for you I hope, although a little taxing try and put some though into it, not just your usual one liners of nothing....
That's easy Welshmen, too bloody easy.

What political party should win the next general election?

My answer - I'm not sure, but I'll go for the one that wins the most seats. I hope that's a good guess?

Q - and why?
My Answer: Hmm, that's a tougher one welshmen. But I think I'll answer - because they one the most seats. But not so sure about that answer, but let's see.....

And hey, if you read my posts I'm all for supporting Welsh medium schools. I think you're getting me mixed up with another idiot, Llanmartinanglehead. I'm the left wing idiot, he's just the village idiot.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The Liberal Elite bend over backwards to fund more money for immigrant children to be taught in over populated schools in our Country, money is always available for foreigners, why not give our kids the money, their parents have put in the pot immigrants don't, yet you all accept their funding at a whim, our kids our schools our future, find the money ASAP....[/p][/quote]This must be a record on the Argus - 69 thumbs down! And I've not even added my vote yet! Well done Welshmen, you've beaten your previous record. You must be very proud. No doubt you'll be back on soon to tell anyone who'll listen that these people who gave you the thumbs down are commies, British haters, tree huggers, softy liberals, liberal elite, non-believers, blah, blah. They're not true patriots are they? If we don't hear from you this week, I'll assume you've pushed Kevin too far, and he's finally snapped and banished you forever from the Argus. If so, I'll get a petition going to get you reinstated as we'll miss your tolerance, good humour and fair minded approach to all issues. But most of all we'll miss you giving us a good laugh with your cut and paste ramblings.[/p][/quote]The kind of people on here who wont support more cash aid to get the School Children to their Welsh School are the lowest of the low, scum of the earth and probably ENGLISH just like the idiot who's netted more thumb's down than anybody on here jimmynobrain2, you keep using the we, we'll in your posts to me and others, I think it's more just you, you support with your kind the very people who want our Country to fail, probably fail to further your warped ideology, you post nothing, you don't put forward any constructive idea, here's one for you, even a thicko like you can answer this, what political party should win the next General election? and why?, there you go simple as simple gets, not to hard for you I hope, although a little taxing try and put some though into it, not just your usual one liners of nothing....[/p][/quote]That's easy Welshmen, too bloody easy. What political party should win the next general election? My answer - I'm not sure, but I'll go for the one that wins the most seats. I hope that's a good guess? Q - and why? My Answer: Hmm, that's a tougher one welshmen. But I think I'll answer - because they one the most seats. But not so sure about that answer, but let's see..... And hey, if you read my posts I'm all for supporting Welsh medium schools. I think you're getting me mixed up with another idiot, Llanmartinanglehead. I'm the left wing idiot, he's just the village idiot. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 0

11:51pm Tue 22 Jul 14

just_this_once says...

I never had to pay a penny to travel from Newport to Gwynllyw for the full 7 years and I don't understand why these pupils should pay for what is state education in their native language.

But then again at least it will encourage young drivers to take to the road and maybe lift share.

How very "green" and "efficient" ;)

Also, what financial department honestly think that charging teenagers a few hundred quid to get to school is going to save them anything near the £9M. Do the maths!
I never had to pay a penny to travel from Newport to Gwynllyw for the full 7 years and I don't understand why these pupils should pay for what is state education in their native language. But then again at least it will encourage young drivers to take to the road and maybe lift share. How very "green" and "efficient" ;) Also, what financial department honestly think that charging teenagers a few hundred quid to get to school is going to save them anything near the £9M. Do the maths! just_this_once
  • Score: 0

8:09am Wed 23 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

A simple solution so away with all free travel to and from school and replace it with one where every one pays for the first 2 miles (Primary Schools) or first 3 miles Secondary Schools. For those travelling over that distance where the fare is higher than for the 2 or 3 miles the council should cover the cost but only to the borough boundary
A simple solution so away with all free travel to and from school and replace it with one where every one pays for the first 2 miles (Primary Schools) or first 3 miles Secondary Schools. For those travelling over that distance where the fare is higher than for the 2 or 3 miles the council should cover the cost but only to the borough boundary Bobevans
  • Score: 0

10:47am Wed 23 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Rjames27 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Rjames27 wrote:
It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.
I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.
I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.
'The issue here is about choice. '
So why, if I send my kids to a state school here, do I not have the 'choice' to opt out? Why did NSA, who were funding a service no-one was using, at huge expense (being borne by their customers), not have the 'choice' to abandon it?
Opt out of what?

You opted out of talking any sense years ago.

Not the bloody National Savings figures again! Is that all you have?
Opt out of Welsh perhaps? In favour of a subject I'd find more valuable for them? (like gardening). As for the NSA stat, instead of dissing it you could try explaining it. But then you can't can you. No-one else has attempted it either.
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.[/p][/quote]I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.[/p][/quote]'The issue here is about choice. ' So why, if I send my kids to a state school here, do I not have the 'choice' to opt out? Why did NSA, who were funding a service no-one was using, at huge expense (being borne by their customers), not have the 'choice' to abandon it?[/p][/quote]Opt out of what? You opted out of talking any sense years ago. Not the bloody National Savings figures again! Is that all you have?[/p][/quote]Opt out of Welsh perhaps? In favour of a subject I'd find more valuable for them? (like gardening). As for the NSA stat, instead of dissing it you could try explaining it. But then you can't can you. No-one else has attempted it either. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -1

11:48am Wed 23 Jul 14

welshmen says...

jimmytheonecell2:
Obviously the question was a tad to much for that one brain cell, here it is in a simpler format, what political party should win the next General election? Labour, Conservative, Liberal or UKIP and what Policies are best for our Country, (that's if your British) and why?, there you go simple as simple gets, not to hard for you I hope, although I'm not holding my breath, it's still a little taxing but try and put some thought into it, no more dissing those Welsh kids for more money to get to School, it's now getting very near Racism by you and the English know it all's....
jimmytheonecell2: Obviously the question was a tad to much for that one brain cell, here it is in a simpler format, what political party should win the next General election? Labour, Conservative, Liberal or UKIP and what Policies are best for our Country, (that's if your British) and why?, there you go simple as simple gets, not to hard for you I hope, although I'm not holding my breath, it's still a little taxing but try and put some thought into it, no more dissing those Welsh kids for more money to get to School, it's now getting very near Racism by you and the English know it all's.... welshmen
  • Score: -5

2:36pm Wed 23 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
jimmytheonecell2:
Obviously the question was a tad to much for that one brain cell, here it is in a simpler format, what political party should win the next General election? Labour, Conservative, Liberal or UKIP and what Policies are best for our Country, (that's if your British) and why?, there you go simple as simple gets, not to hard for you I hope, although I'm not holding my breath, it's still a little taxing but try and put some thought into it, no more dissing those Welsh kids for more money to get to School, it's now getting very near Racism by you and the English know it all's....
You're still not getting it Welshmen - I'm fully in favour of children in Wales receiving Welsh language education, and for getting support to enable that. So on that point, for once I don't disagree with you.

Are you asking me what political party will win the next General election, or which I'd like to see win?. I don't think any party will get a clear majority so i think we'll see another coalition.
What party would I like to see win? Greens probably, though I'll probably vote tactically and go for one of the more mainstream parties if only to deny UKIP.
But there may be a problem. I'm an illegal, so won't be registered to vote. Would you mind voting for me to try to keep those evil, narrow minded, one policy only kippers out. I don't want any of them moving in on my street, they'll lower property values.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: jimmytheonecell2: Obviously the question was a tad to much for that one brain cell, here it is in a simpler format, what political party should win the next General election? Labour, Conservative, Liberal or UKIP and what Policies are best for our Country, (that's if your British) and why?, there you go simple as simple gets, not to hard for you I hope, although I'm not holding my breath, it's still a little taxing but try and put some thought into it, no more dissing those Welsh kids for more money to get to School, it's now getting very near Racism by you and the English know it all's....[/p][/quote]You're still not getting it Welshmen - I'm fully in favour of children in Wales receiving Welsh language education, and for getting support to enable that. So on that point, for once I don't disagree with you. Are you asking me what political party will win the next General election, or which I'd like to see win?. I don't think any party will get a clear majority so i think we'll see another coalition. What party would I like to see win? Greens probably, though I'll probably vote tactically and go for one of the more mainstream parties if only to deny UKIP. But there may be a problem. I'm an illegal, so won't be registered to vote. Would you mind voting for me to try to keep those evil, narrow minded, one policy only kippers out. I don't want any of them moving in on my street, they'll lower property values. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 5

2:38pm Wed 23 Jul 14

sturgeon1 says...

Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
Bethanmoore123 says... A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people


Wonder what job you have??
[quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]Bethanmoore123 says... A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people Wonder what job you have?? sturgeon1
  • Score: -2

2:40pm Wed 23 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

sturgeon1 wrote:
Bethanmoore123 wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please.

Jog on love.
"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.
Bethanmoore123 says... A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people


Wonder what job you have??
Can't you read?
It's simple man. she said she had a job beating people.
She's a policeman
[quote][p][bold]sturgeon1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bethanmoore123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: My parents decided I shoould attend a school miles away from my home, so that I can learn to speak a dead language better than anybody else. Now my parents want someone else to pay for me to get there and back please. Jog on love.[/p][/quote]"A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people my Age because I have the advantage of speaking welsh. They're not asking for free transport just cheaper, as I'm sure you can agree £300 is very expensive for children to pay when all they would like to do is better their education.[/p][/quote]Bethanmoore123 says... A dead language" I can assure you Welsh is not a dead language, I have recently left a welsh school and I now have a job beating people Wonder what job you have??[/p][/quote]Can't you read? It's simple man. she said she had a job beating people. She's a policeman jimmytheone2
  • Score: -2

2:45pm Wed 23 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
jimmytheonecell2:
Obviously the question was a tad to much for that one brain cell, here it is in a simpler format, what political party should win the next General election? Labour, Conservative, Liberal or UKIP and what Policies are best for our Country, (that's if your British) and why?, there you go simple as simple gets, not to hard for you I hope, although I'm not holding my breath, it's still a little taxing but try and put some thought into it, no more dissing those Welsh kids for more money to get to School, it's now getting very near Racism by you and the English know it all's....
My oh my, hasn't order in the universe got a little muddled when Welshmen can accuse someone of racism?

This must be a sick joke.

Pot and kettle come to mind Welshmen. That or you've developed a sense of humour that none of us have seen before.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: jimmytheonecell2: Obviously the question was a tad to much for that one brain cell, here it is in a simpler format, what political party should win the next General election? Labour, Conservative, Liberal or UKIP and what Policies are best for our Country, (that's if your British) and why?, there you go simple as simple gets, not to hard for you I hope, although I'm not holding my breath, it's still a little taxing but try and put some thought into it, no more dissing those Welsh kids for more money to get to School, it's now getting very near Racism by you and the English know it all's....[/p][/quote]My oh my, hasn't order in the universe got a little muddled when Welshmen can accuse someone of racism? This must be a sick joke. Pot and kettle come to mind Welshmen. That or you've developed a sense of humour that none of us have seen before. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 6

5:55pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Llanmartingargoyle says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Rjames27 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Rjames27 wrote:
It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.
I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.
I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.
'The issue here is about choice. '
So why, if I send my kids to a state school here, do I not have the 'choice' to opt out? Why did NSA, who were funding a service no-one was using, at huge expense (being borne by their customers), not have the 'choice' to abandon it?
Opt out of what?

You opted out of talking any sense years ago.

Not the bloody National Savings figures again! Is that all you have?
Opt out of Welsh perhaps? In favour of a subject I'd find more valuable for them? (like gardening). As for the NSA stat, instead of dissing it you could try explaining it. But then you can't can you. No-one else has attempted it either.
Just to reiterate Gardening that’s so much more rewarding as long as the WAG are not funding it because that’s my money and I want to keep it in my purse...mine mine mine and I need it to fund my children’s private education so there.
But if you can pay for your own gardening lessons and fund your own bus fare go for it,
Why should I have to pay its your choice and Labour caused all this social responsibility spending in the first place so I blame them for wanting to help the poor.
If you do it, make sure its proper English gardening like Al Titchmish . none of that mythical welsh Mutton Davies Welsh Heritage nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rjames27[/bold] wrote: It has never ceased to amaze me how so anti OUR OWN language the Welsh are. I would put money on our country being the only one in the world where our own people are against their own language. It is appalling.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid that even by WAG's own skewed stats, 'OUR OWN' language is English, since virtually everyone living here speaks it and, if they don't, what they DO speak most certainly is t Welsh. Around 95% of the population couldn't hold a simple conversation in Welsh, let alone transact in it. So perhaps you need to be more careful with your use of the word 'OUR'.[/p][/quote]I have used the word OUR because Welsh is a language within Wales. I am Welsh and have chosen to speak Welsh and send my children to a Welsh school. Obviously I am aware that the majority of Welsh people do not speak it however there is a tendency to be very negative about those of us that chose to do so. I do not have a problem with Welsh people not speaking it at all, each to their own, I just have a problem with the ones who do having to put up with so much negativity. The issue here is about choice. I am sure if the cost of a bus pass was raised as much as the one in question for a local English speaking school, there would also be uproar.[/p][/quote]'The issue here is about choice. ' So why, if I send my kids to a state school here, do I not have the 'choice' to opt out? Why did NSA, who were funding a service no-one was using, at huge expense (being borne by their customers), not have the 'choice' to abandon it?[/p][/quote]Opt out of what? You opted out of talking any sense years ago. Not the bloody National Savings figures again! Is that all you have?[/p][/quote]Opt out of Welsh perhaps? In favour of a subject I'd find more valuable for them? (like gardening). As for the NSA stat, instead of dissing it you could try explaining it. But then you can't can you. No-one else has attempted it either.[/p][/quote]Just to reiterate Gardening that’s so much more rewarding as long as the WAG are not funding it because that’s my money and I want to keep it in my purse...mine mine mine and I need it to fund my children’s private education so there. But if you can pay for your own gardening lessons and fund your own bus fare go for it, Why should I have to pay its your choice and Labour caused all this social responsibility spending in the first place so I blame them for wanting to help the poor. If you do it, make sure its proper English gardening like Al Titchmish . none of that mythical welsh Mutton Davies Welsh Heritage nonsense. Llanmartingargoyle
  • Score: 4

8:05pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Torfaenwr says...

NSI, an English organisation based in England. It wouldn't have occurred to me to ask for Welsh service, but sobce
NSI, an English organisation based in England. It wouldn't have occurred to me to ask for Welsh service, but sobce Torfaenwr
  • Score: -1

11:14pm Wed 23 Jul 14

just_this_once says...

Simple Solution:
Open a welsh medium comprehensive school in newport to serve the 3 newport welsh primary's and 1 Caldicot (Y Ffin) primary.
Means a whole generation of teenagers can progress through education in their NATIVE language and in their own county (except Y ffin - Monshire)

Alternatively, sell all state schools to the private sector, make it an open market, the more you pay the better education your kids have, less taxes and you cant then complain about the choices of other parents.

Or do nothing and go to bed "Yawn"
Simple Solution: Open a welsh medium comprehensive school in newport to serve the 3 newport welsh primary's and 1 Caldicot (Y Ffin) primary. Means a whole generation of teenagers can progress through education in their NATIVE language and in their own county (except Y ffin - Monshire) Alternatively, sell all state schools to the private sector, make it an open market, the more you pay the better education your kids have, less taxes and you cant then complain about the choices of other parents. Or do nothing and go to bed "Yawn" just_this_once
  • Score: -3

11:17pm Wed 23 Jul 14

just_this_once says...

Simple Solution:
Open a welsh medium comprehensive school in newport to serve the 3 newport welsh primary's and 1 Caldicot (Y Ffin) primary.
Means a whole generation of teenagers can progress through education in their NATIVE language and in their own county (except Y ffin - Monshire)

Alternatively, sell all state schools to the private sector, make it an open market, the more you pay the better education your kids have, less taxes and you cant then complain about the choices of other parents.

Or do nothing and go to bed
Simple Solution: Open a welsh medium comprehensive school in newport to serve the 3 newport welsh primary's and 1 Caldicot (Y Ffin) primary. Means a whole generation of teenagers can progress through education in their NATIVE language and in their own county (except Y ffin - Monshire) Alternatively, sell all state schools to the private sector, make it an open market, the more you pay the better education your kids have, less taxes and you cant then complain about the choices of other parents. Or do nothing and go to bed just_this_once
  • Score: -3

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