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11:23am Mon 3 Mar 14

Sometimes says...

Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?
Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work? Sometimes
  • Score: 22

11:41am Mon 3 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Sometimes wrote:
Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?
Don't be daft! It took the Bay two referendums to get the result they wanted; they're not about to hand that back!

One of the good recomendations to come out of this report though is devolution of teachers pay.
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?[/p][/quote]Don't be daft! It took the Bay two referendums to get the result they wanted; they're not about to hand that back! One of the good recomendations to come out of this report though is devolution of teachers pay. whatintheworld
  • Score: 9

11:42am Mon 3 Mar 14

siameselady says...

Sometimes wrote:
Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?
I agree!
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?[/p][/quote]I agree! siameselady
  • Score: 7

12:06pm Mon 3 Mar 14

KarloMarko says...

As a UKIP supporter I demand a referendum on whether the Earth is flat. I am sick of politicians saying its round when we in UKIP know you fall off the end at Dover. And let the French in....

We never voted for the Earth to be round so give us a say. Of course, too many BRUSSELS careers are now at stake....

I blame Ted Heath.
As a UKIP supporter I demand a referendum on whether the Earth is flat. I am sick of politicians saying its round when we in UKIP know you fall off the end at Dover. And let the French in.... We never voted for the Earth to be round so give us a say. Of course, too many BRUSSELS careers are now at stake.... I blame Ted Heath. KarloMarko
  • Score: 1

12:25pm Mon 3 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

KarloMarko wrote:
As a UKIP supporter I demand a referendum on whether the Earth is flat. I am sick of politicians saying its round when we in UKIP know you fall off the end at Dover. And let the French in.... We never voted for the Earth to be round so give us a say. Of course, too many BRUSSELS careers are now at stake.... I blame Ted Heath.
I thought you were BobEvams!

Still, 10/10
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: As a UKIP supporter I demand a referendum on whether the Earth is flat. I am sick of politicians saying its round when we in UKIP know you fall off the end at Dover. And let the French in.... We never voted for the Earth to be round so give us a say. Of course, too many BRUSSELS careers are now at stake.... I blame Ted Heath.[/p][/quote]I thought you were BobEvams! Still, 10/10 whatintheworld
  • Score: 4

1:18pm Mon 3 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Sometimes wrote:
Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?
Page 7 of the report...

"Polling consistently suggests a settled acceptance of the National Assembly and the Welsh Government as parts of the political landscape in Wales."

Not really my experience of course - at least not in South Wales - but the report cost £1m to produce and at 272 pages long, one has to assume they did their homework.
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?[/p][/quote]Page 7 of the report... "Polling consistently suggests a settled acceptance of the National Assembly and the Welsh Government as parts of the political landscape in Wales." Not really my experience of course - at least not in South Wales - but the report cost £1m to produce and at 272 pages long, one has to assume they did their homework. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 7

1:18pm Mon 3 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Sorry 226 pages long.
Sorry 226 pages long. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 1

2:21pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Abertillery29 says...

How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc.
Who is going to pay for it all.
Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters.
The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.
How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc. Who is going to pay for it all. Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters. The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it. Abertillery29
  • Score: 14

2:33pm Mon 3 Mar 14

KarloMarko says...

When UKIP (my party) sweep to power in 2015 we will abolish the Welsh D'issembly and return power to decent English people like John Redwood to run direct from his front room in Woking...on Sundays. The Welsh have had it far too good for far too long. Get back to Cuba...and take your Soviet leeks...and that shouty Charlie Church with you. Stop stealing my war pension to fund Pobyl Y Cwm. With subtitles.

Viva Boris!
When UKIP (my party) sweep to power in 2015 we will abolish the Welsh D'issembly and return power to decent English people like John Redwood to run direct from his front room in Woking...on Sundays. The Welsh have had it far too good for far too long. Get back to Cuba...and take your Soviet leeks...and that shouty Charlie Church with you. Stop stealing my war pension to fund Pobyl Y Cwm. With subtitles. Viva Boris! KarloMarko
  • Score: 1

3:04pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Adrian Williams says...

The Welsh Assembly has proved to be a total and utter waste of time and beneficial to Cardiff alone - scrap it and spend the money on something more worthy
The Welsh Assembly has proved to be a total and utter waste of time and beneficial to Cardiff alone - scrap it and spend the money on something more worthy Adrian Williams
  • Score: 10

3:30pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Abertillery29 wrote:
How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc.
Who is going to pay for it all.
Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters.
The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.
Absolutely.
More snouts in the trough at the Assembly.
Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time.
We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future.
The future certainly isn't bright here.
Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.
[quote][p][bold]Abertillery29[/bold] wrote: How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc. Who is going to pay for it all. Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters. The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. More snouts in the trough at the Assembly. Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time. We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future. The future certainly isn't bright here. Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 10

3:47pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Only in Wales could they consider making a way-too-big state even bigger. And with zero evidence of a single success in 14 years. Utterly insane.
Only in Wales could they consider making a way-too-big state even bigger. And with zero evidence of a single success in 14 years. Utterly insane. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 17

3:56pm Mon 3 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Only in Wales could they consider making a way-too-big state even bigger. And with zero evidence of a single success in 14 years. Utterly insane.
Not a single success - ridiculous - there's err.... ummmm....now wait a minute... ooh, what about...no... dammit, there must be something...
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: Only in Wales could they consider making a way-too-big state even bigger. And with zero evidence of a single success in 14 years. Utterly insane.[/p][/quote]Not a single success - ridiculous - there's err.... ummmm....now wait a minute... ooh, what about...no... dammit, there must be something... GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 8

4:05pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Crossbenchtory says...

I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..."

Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition.

Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too great a risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.
I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..." Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition. Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too great a risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 11

4:10pm Mon 3 Mar 14

KarloMarko says...

Getting Rosemary Butler made a Dame was a HUGE achievement. And getting Mike German made "one" too....AND getting Nick Bourne into the Lords with a £50k golden handout from us was....simply splendid in a time of "needed austerity". Well done Nick!

Now all we need is Stephen "Swiss" Kinnock slotted in at Bridgend and its a "win win".
Getting Rosemary Butler made a Dame was a HUGE achievement. And getting Mike German made "one" too....AND getting Nick Bourne into the Lords with a £50k golden handout from us was....simply splendid in a time of "needed austerity". Well done Nick! Now all we need is Stephen "Swiss" Kinnock slotted in at Bridgend and its a "win win". KarloMarko
  • Score: 3

4:33pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Jonnytrouble says...

If it got us an M4 relief rd, brought my Council Taxes down, brought crime down, keep the free prescriptions and bus passes,,i couldn't give a Monkey's t*** i
If it got us an M4 relief rd, brought my Council Taxes down, brought crime down, keep the free prescriptions and bus passes,,i couldn't give a Monkey's t*** i Jonnytrouble
  • Score: -6

4:33pm Mon 3 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..."

Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition.

Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too great a risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.
" not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly"

Wonder if you're including the fourteen Tory memebers of the Welsh Assembly in that statement?
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..." Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition. Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too great a risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.[/p][/quote]" not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly" Wonder if you're including the fourteen Tory memebers of the Welsh Assembly in that statement? GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -3

4:36pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Woodgnome says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Crossbenchtory wrote:
I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..."

Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition.

Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too great a risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.
" not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly"

Wonder if you're including the fourteen Tory memebers of the Welsh Assembly in that statement?
There are no tory memebers.are there?
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..." Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition. Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too great a risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.[/p][/quote]" not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly" Wonder if you're including the fourteen Tory memebers of the Welsh Assembly in that statement?[/p][/quote]There are no tory memebers.are there? Woodgnome
  • Score: -9

4:39pm Mon 3 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Woodgnome wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Crossbenchtory wrote:
I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..."

Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition.

Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too great a risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.
" not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly"

Wonder if you're including the fourteen Tory memebers of the Welsh Assembly in that statement?
There are no tory memebers.are there?
http://www.conservat
ives.com/People/Wels
h_Assembly_Members.a
spx
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..." Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition. Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too great a risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.[/p][/quote]" not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly" Wonder if you're including the fourteen Tory memebers of the Welsh Assembly in that statement?[/p][/quote]There are no tory memebers.are there?[/p][/quote]http://www.conservat ives.com/People/Wels h_Assembly_Members.a spx GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 1

4:40pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Crossbenchtory says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Crossbenchtory wrote:
I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..."

Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition.

Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too great a risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.
" not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly"

Wonder if you're including the fourteen Tory memebers of the Welsh Assembly in that statement?
As it happens I am.

Being a Conservative I probably hold them in more contempt than AM's from other parties.

I have come to expect empire building hubris from socialists so the attitudes and complete departure from reality of AM's from labour, LibDems and plaid come as no surprise to me.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: I note that in the Executive Summary it states that the Assembly "... is permanent while the majority of Welsh people want it ..." Seems to me that Silk is hinting that, with the significant increase in the number of people wanting to abolish it, maybe there should be a referendum on the Assemby's abolition. Of course Chairman Jones and his politburo, not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly, would never allow that to happen as there is too great a risk that the people of Wales would vote to take their little gravy train off them.[/p][/quote]" not to mention all the other invertebrates that populate the Assembly" Wonder if you're including the fourteen Tory memebers of the Welsh Assembly in that statement?[/p][/quote]As it happens I am. Being a Conservative I probably hold them in more contempt than AM's from other parties. I have come to expect empire building hubris from socialists so the attitudes and complete departure from reality of AM's from labour, LibDems and plaid come as no surprise to me. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 11

4:51pm Mon 3 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Sorry 226 pages long.
Sorry....226 pages TOO long!
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Sorry 226 pages long.[/p][/quote]Sorry....226 pages TOO long! varteg1
  • Score: 1

4:56pm Mon 3 Mar 14

KarloMarko says...

Hell, Devolution and the Welsh Assembly saved the Welsh Tory Party! PR and list seats gave them a public "voice". Why else do you think Nick Bourne was so vocal about getting it totally wrong when he et al argued against in 1997? And that little "banker" Alun Cairns...

Top Tories now LOVE Devo Wales...its in their expenses...
Hell, Devolution and the Welsh Assembly saved the Welsh Tory Party! PR and list seats gave them a public "voice". Why else do you think Nick Bourne was so vocal about getting it totally wrong when he et al argued against in 1997? And that little "banker" Alun Cairns... Top Tories now LOVE Devo Wales...its in their expenses... KarloMarko
  • Score: 0

5:00pm Mon 3 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

varteg1 wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Sorry 226 pages long.
Sorry....226 pages TOO long!
No Ssshhhh Sherlock - only on page 37 so far and am already bored with it.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Sorry 226 pages long.[/p][/quote]Sorry....226 pages TOO long![/p][/quote]No Ssshhhh Sherlock - only on page 37 so far and am already bored with it. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 3

6:36pm Mon 3 Mar 14

On the inside says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Abertillery29 wrote:
How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc.
Who is going to pay for it all.
Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters.
The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.
Absolutely.
More snouts in the trough at the Assembly.
Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time.
We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future.
The future certainly isn't bright here.
Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.
You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abertillery29[/bold] wrote: How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc. Who is going to pay for it all. Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters. The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. More snouts in the trough at the Assembly. Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time. We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future. The future certainly isn't bright here. Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.[/p][/quote]You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count. On the inside
  • Score: -8

6:39pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

OFCOM declare UKIP a Major Party

UKIP is set to get more TV exposure in the run-up to May's European elections after watchdog Ofcom said it would be considered as a "major party".

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-politics-26
422876


It will get at least two election broadcasts on ITV and Channel 5, twice as many as in the past, as well as an "appropriate" share of news coverage.

Ofcom said UKIP had performed strongly in the past and had "significant" current support in England and Wales.
OFCOM declare UKIP a Major Party UKIP is set to get more TV exposure in the run-up to May's European elections after watchdog Ofcom said it would be considered as a "major party". http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-26 422876 It will get at least two election broadcasts on ITV and Channel 5, twice as many as in the past, as well as an "appropriate" share of news coverage. Ofcom said UKIP had performed strongly in the past and had "significant" current support in England and Wales. Bobevans
  • Score: 6

6:51pm Mon 3 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

Jonnytrouble wrote:
If it got us an M4 relief rd, brought my Council Taxes down, brought crime down, keep the free prescriptions and bus passes,,i couldn't give a Monkey's t*** i
no labour increase it england saw a freeze and wales had the first of just a long string of tax rises
[quote][p][bold]Jonnytrouble[/bold] wrote: If it got us an M4 relief rd, brought my Council Taxes down, brought crime down, keep the free prescriptions and bus passes,,i couldn't give a Monkey's t*** i[/p][/quote]no labour increase it england saw a freeze and wales had the first of just a long string of tax rises scraptheWAG
  • Score: 4

7:01pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

.....and where will it all end....is the WAG going eventually to want independence like Scotland a few year down the line?
With the differing set up for NHS...schools etc. the UK is no longer a united country...as we all now have varying levels of public services....
.....and where will it all end....is the WAG going eventually to want independence like Scotland a few year down the line? With the differing set up for NHS...schools etc. the UK is no longer a united country...as we all now have varying levels of public services.... Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 5

7:26pm Mon 3 Mar 14

KarloMarko says...

Scotland will only get independence if the Scotish people actually VOTE for it...are you against that concept?

In Wales the support for independence is now 5% to 7%....so fat chance of that ever and Plaid know it. Despite their prayers and offerings to the Druids.

I however want an semi-independent Caerleon. Almost there, one more big push, its goodbye Zooport.
Scotland will only get independence if the Scotish people actually VOTE for it...are you against that concept? In Wales the support for independence is now 5% to 7%....so fat chance of that ever and Plaid know it. Despite their prayers and offerings to the Druids. I however want an semi-independent Caerleon. Almost there, one more big push, its goodbye Zooport. KarloMarko
  • Score: -3

8:41pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Mr Angry says...

Bobevans wrote:
OFCOM declare UKIP a Major Party

UKIP is set to get more TV exposure in the run-up to May's European elections after watchdog Ofcom said it would be considered as a "major party".

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-politics-26

422876


It will get at least two election broadcasts on ITV and Channel 5, twice as many as in the past, as well as an "appropriate" share of news coverage.

Ofcom said UKIP had performed strongly in the past and had "significant" current support in England and Wales.
Beg to differ, recent by election in Sale, 95% of the electorate did NOT support UKIP, how that can be a success god only knows.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: OFCOM declare UKIP a Major Party UKIP is set to get more TV exposure in the run-up to May's European elections after watchdog Ofcom said it would be considered as a "major party". http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-26 422876 It will get at least two election broadcasts on ITV and Channel 5, twice as many as in the past, as well as an "appropriate" share of news coverage. Ofcom said UKIP had performed strongly in the past and had "significant" current support in England and Wales.[/p][/quote]Beg to differ, recent by election in Sale, 95% of the electorate did NOT support UKIP, how that can be a success god only knows. Mr Angry
  • Score: -6

8:49pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Mr Angry says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Jonnytrouble wrote:
If it got us an M4 relief rd, brought my Council Taxes down, brought crime down, keep the free prescriptions and bus passes,,i couldn't give a Monkey's t*** i
no labour increase it england saw a freeze and wales had the first of just a long string of tax rises
Recent polls by the BBC show only 20 odd % want the WAG abolished, guess what - YOU ARE ON A LOOSER.
My own views is total indifference to the WAG , but in a referendum Id vote to keep it, just to wind you up, same reason Id vote to stay in the EU and I might even vote Labour, if I can be bothered
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonnytrouble[/bold] wrote: If it got us an M4 relief rd, brought my Council Taxes down, brought crime down, keep the free prescriptions and bus passes,,i couldn't give a Monkey's t*** i[/p][/quote]no labour increase it england saw a freeze and wales had the first of just a long string of tax rises[/p][/quote]Recent polls by the BBC show only 20 odd % want the WAG abolished, guess what - YOU ARE ON A LOOSER. My own views is total indifference to the WAG , but in a referendum Id vote to keep it, just to wind you up, same reason Id vote to stay in the EU and I might even vote Labour, if I can be bothered Mr Angry
  • Score: -7

8:58pm Mon 3 Mar 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Scotland will only get independence if the Scotish people actually VOTE for it...are you against that concept?

In Wales the support for independence is now 5% to 7%....so fat chance of that ever and Plaid know it. Despite their prayers and offerings to the Druids.

I however want an semi-independent Caerleon. Almost there, one more big push, its goodbye Zooport.
It doesn't matter what the people want, if politicians want it, it will happen. They'll drown out all the logical opinions until things have been spun so much in their favour that votes will ultimatly go in thier favour.

The problem is those that have real views and objections to things are just seen as trouble makers and non conformists. I wish that peole would stand up for what they belive in more band together and make sure thier opinions are heard.

I think after a few protests, mass walkouts and strikes people will be heard and we will become a proper democracy.

As Edmund Burke said "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one"
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Scotland will only get independence if the Scotish people actually VOTE for it...are you against that concept? In Wales the support for independence is now 5% to 7%....so fat chance of that ever and Plaid know it. Despite their prayers and offerings to the Druids. I however want an semi-independent Caerleon. Almost there, one more big push, its goodbye Zooport.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter what the people want, if politicians want it, it will happen. They'll drown out all the logical opinions until things have been spun so much in their favour that votes will ultimatly go in thier favour. The problem is those that have real views and objections to things are just seen as trouble makers and non conformists. I wish that peole would stand up for what they belive in more band together and make sure thier opinions are heard. I think after a few protests, mass walkouts and strikes people will be heard and we will become a proper democracy. As Edmund Burke said "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one" grumpyandopinionated
  • Score: 2

9:20pm Mon 3 Mar 14

coidmellyn says...

HA, HA
UKIP and the BNF ask for the same the thing english independance you can have it.
We in wales don't want to be treated like a serfdom of that anymore. I happy for you to get independence FROM THE CELTIC NATIONS. BUT AT THE MOMENT WE WILL KEEP THE QUEEN.
AND NOT A DICTATOR. the welsh economy needs to be in europe At the moment we need all the help we can get the money that westminster gives is like maundy money to the poor. COME ON WALES DON'T STAND FOR IT.
HA, HA UKIP and the BNF ask for the same the thing english independance you can have it. We in wales don't want to be treated like a serfdom of that anymore. I happy for you to get independence FROM THE CELTIC NATIONS. BUT AT THE MOMENT WE WILL KEEP THE QUEEN. AND NOT A DICTATOR. the welsh economy needs to be in europe At the moment we need all the help we can get the money that westminster gives is like maundy money to the poor. COME ON WALES DON'T STAND FOR IT. coidmellyn
  • Score: -9

8:02am Tue 4 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

Mr Angry wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Jonnytrouble wrote:
If it got us an M4 relief rd, brought my Council Taxes down, brought crime down, keep the free prescriptions and bus passes,,i couldn't give a Monkey's t*** i
no labour increase it england saw a freeze and wales had the first of just a long string of tax rises
Recent polls by the BBC show only 20 odd % want the WAG abolished, guess what - YOU ARE ON A LOOSER.
My own views is total indifference to the WAG , but in a referendum Id vote to keep it, just to wind you up, same reason Id vote to stay in the EU and I might even vote Labour, if I can be bothered
25% dont want it I wonder how many do ? i suspect it is being banged into children at school how good the assembly is and carwyn is a demi god
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonnytrouble[/bold] wrote: If it got us an M4 relief rd, brought my Council Taxes down, brought crime down, keep the free prescriptions and bus passes,,i couldn't give a Monkey's t*** i[/p][/quote]no labour increase it england saw a freeze and wales had the first of just a long string of tax rises[/p][/quote]Recent polls by the BBC show only 20 odd % want the WAG abolished, guess what - YOU ARE ON A LOOSER. My own views is total indifference to the WAG , but in a referendum Id vote to keep it, just to wind you up, same reason Id vote to stay in the EU and I might even vote Labour, if I can be bothered[/p][/quote]25% dont want it I wonder how many do ? i suspect it is being banged into children at school how good the assembly is and carwyn is a demi god scraptheWAG
  • Score: 3

9:03am Tue 4 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

On the inside wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Abertillery29 wrote:
How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc.
Who is going to pay for it all.
Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters.
The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.
Absolutely.
More snouts in the trough at the Assembly.
Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time.
We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future.
The future certainly isn't bright here.
Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.
You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.
Show me the evidence of hope?.
Third world education and NHS.
Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff.
Need I go on.
It is you that is too stupid for words.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abertillery29[/bold] wrote: How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc. Who is going to pay for it all. Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters. The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. More snouts in the trough at the Assembly. Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time. We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future. The future certainly isn't bright here. Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.[/p][/quote]You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.[/p][/quote]Show me the evidence of hope?. Third world education and NHS. Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff. Need I go on. It is you that is too stupid for words. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 9

9:16am Tue 4 Mar 14

BobEvams2014 says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-
wales-26378274

This Poll is misleading, how dare the BBC produce such lies and evil propaganda.
How dare they contradict the great 'Scap the Wag' and his informative factual posts !!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk- wales-26378274 This Poll is misleading, how dare the BBC produce such lies and evil propaganda. How dare they contradict the great 'Scap the Wag' and his informative factual posts !!! BobEvams2014
  • Score: -3

9:17am Tue 4 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Abertillery29 wrote:
How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc.
Who is going to pay for it all.
Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters.
The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.
Absolutely.
More snouts in the trough at the Assembly.
Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time.
We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future.
The future certainly isn't bright here.
Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.
You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.
Show me the evidence of hope?.
Third world education and NHS.
Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff.
Need I go on.
It is you that is too stupid for words.
Wasting your time CaB. He/she will bang on with the dullard Labour party mantra in spite of irrefutable and overwhelming evidence to the fact that they are an unmitigated disaster when in central government and for Wales, even worse. They are determined to keep it poor and third world. Why? Because if you are prosperous, self-sufficient and aspirational then you are no use to the Labour party and they would cease to exist.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abertillery29[/bold] wrote: How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc. Who is going to pay for it all. Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters. The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. More snouts in the trough at the Assembly. Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time. We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future. The future certainly isn't bright here. Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.[/p][/quote]You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.[/p][/quote]Show me the evidence of hope?. Third world education and NHS. Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff. Need I go on. It is you that is too stupid for words.[/p][/quote]Wasting your time CaB. He/she will bang on with the dullard Labour party mantra in spite of irrefutable and overwhelming evidence to the fact that they are an unmitigated disaster when in central government and for Wales, even worse. They are determined to keep it poor and third world. Why? Because if you are prosperous, self-sufficient and aspirational then you are no use to the Labour party and they would cease to exist. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 6

9:19am Tue 4 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-
wales-26378274

This Poll is misleading, how dare the BBC produce such lies and evil propaganda.
How dare they contradict the great 'Scap the Wag' and his informative factual posts !!!
'Lies **** lies and statistics'.
Anybody can be fooled by interpretation, even you.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk- wales-26378274 This Poll is misleading, how dare the BBC produce such lies and evil propaganda. How dare they contradict the great 'Scap the Wag' and his informative factual posts !!![/p][/quote]'Lies **** lies and statistics'. Anybody can be fooled by interpretation, even you. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 6

9:51am Tue 4 Mar 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Im going to bury my head in the sand and pretend this poll does not exist, and hope it will go away, just like several on this board
Im going to bury my head in the sand and pretend this poll does not exist, and hope it will go away, just like several on this board BobEvams2014
  • Score: -3

10:29am Tue 4 Mar 14

KarloMarko says...

FACTS OF LIFE:

The Welsh Assemley will NOT be abolished.
( No-one cares either way and its a premier career option for the Welsh middle class and their kids).


The UK will NOT withdraw from the EU ( tbe City would never allow it).

UKIP, short for "You Know I'm P**\*d", will explode from its own insanity/corruption the moment its exposed to sunlight.

Newport's "Tories in a Bubble" are madder than most.
FACTS OF LIFE: The Welsh Assemley will NOT be abolished. ( No-one cares either way and its a premier career option for the Welsh middle class and their kids). The UK will NOT withdraw from the EU ( tbe City would never allow it). UKIP, short for "You Know I'm P**\*d", will explode from its own insanity/corruption the moment its exposed to sunlight. Newport's "Tories in a Bubble" are madder than most. KarloMarko
  • Score: -6

10:59am Tue 4 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

KarloMarko wrote:
FACTS OF LIFE:

The Welsh Assemley will NOT be abolished.
( No-one cares either way and its a premier career option for the Welsh middle class and their kids).


The UK will NOT withdraw from the EU ( tbe City would never allow it).

UKIP, short for "You Know I'm P**\*d", will explode from its own insanity/corruption the moment its exposed to sunlight.

Newport's "Tories in a Bubble" are madder than most.
Yup - that's about the rub of it.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: FACTS OF LIFE: The Welsh Assemley will NOT be abolished. ( No-one cares either way and its a premier career option for the Welsh middle class and their kids). The UK will NOT withdraw from the EU ( tbe City would never allow it). UKIP, short for "You Know I'm P**\*d", will explode from its own insanity/corruption the moment its exposed to sunlight. Newport's "Tories in a Bubble" are madder than most.[/p][/quote]Yup - that's about the rub of it. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -1

11:41pm Tue 4 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Abertillery29 wrote:
How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc.
Who is going to pay for it all.
Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters.
The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.
Absolutely.
More snouts in the trough at the Assembly.
Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time.
We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future.
The future certainly isn't bright here.
Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.
You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.
Show me the evidence of hope?.
Third world education and NHS.
Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff.
Need I go on.
It is you that is too stupid for words.
Wasting your time CaB. He/she will bang on with the dullard Labour party mantra in spite of irrefutable and overwhelming evidence to the fact that they are an unmitigated disaster when in central government and for Wales, even worse. They are determined to keep it poor and third world. Why? Because if you are prosperous, self-sufficient and aspirational then you are no use to the Labour party and they would cease to exist.
yes i always thought that every public sector worker and benefit scrounger always vote labour
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abertillery29[/bold] wrote: How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc. Who is going to pay for it all. Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters. The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. More snouts in the trough at the Assembly. Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time. We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future. The future certainly isn't bright here. Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.[/p][/quote]You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.[/p][/quote]Show me the evidence of hope?. Third world education and NHS. Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff. Need I go on. It is you that is too stupid for words.[/p][/quote]Wasting your time CaB. He/she will bang on with the dullard Labour party mantra in spite of irrefutable and overwhelming evidence to the fact that they are an unmitigated disaster when in central government and for Wales, even worse. They are determined to keep it poor and third world. Why? Because if you are prosperous, self-sufficient and aspirational then you are no use to the Labour party and they would cease to exist.[/p][/quote]yes i always thought that every public sector worker and benefit scrounger always vote labour scraptheWAG
  • Score: -4

7:12am Wed 5 Mar 14

Mr Angry says...

Do you have evidence to back up that ridiculous statement?
Do you have evidence to back up that ridiculous statement? Mr Angry
  • Score: 1

7:16pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Sometimes wrote:
Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?
We all had plenty of time to decide on the vote, whilst Agree the turnout was poor whose fault was that, surely it is the fault of those who didn't take Wales seriously, NOW they want to vote ? 'Don't blame me I didn't vote..' Democracy has already spoken, people had their chance decided not to use it. Where does democracy decide ? maybe we will all vote again to get rid of the coalition, oops we never had ANY vote on that.

So let us all rejoin that set up in London ? People who want the WAG got rid of, are the very people who sat on their rear ends saying an Assembly would never happen, they were wrong, even England/Westminster have agreed tax raising powers should go to wales. They already handed over health and other areas, Have you not got it yet, England wants out of Welsh affairs and Wales. The only reason they want Scotland in is because they have oil, what has wales got but the outstretched hand ?
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?[/p][/quote]We all had plenty of time to decide on the vote, whilst Agree the turnout was poor whose fault was that, surely it is the fault of those who didn't take Wales seriously, NOW they want to vote ? 'Don't blame me I didn't vote..' Democracy has already spoken, people had their chance decided not to use it. Where does democracy decide ? maybe we will all vote again to get rid of the coalition, oops we never had ANY vote on that. So let us all rejoin that set up in London ? People who want the WAG got rid of, are the very people who sat on their rear ends saying an Assembly would never happen, they were wrong, even England/Westminster have agreed tax raising powers should go to wales. They already handed over health and other areas, Have you not got it yet, England wants out of Welsh affairs and Wales. The only reason they want Scotland in is because they have oil, what has wales got but the outstretched hand ? Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

9:43am Thu 6 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Sometimes wrote:
Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?
We all had plenty of time to decide on the vote, whilst Agree the turnout was poor whose fault was that, surely it is the fault of those who didn't take Wales seriously, NOW they want to vote ? 'Don't blame me I didn't vote..' Democracy has already spoken, people had their chance decided not to use it. Where does democracy decide ? maybe we will all vote again to get rid of the coalition, oops we never had ANY vote on that.

So let us all rejoin that set up in London ? People who want the WAG got rid of, are the very people who sat on their rear ends saying an Assembly would never happen, they were wrong, even England/Westminster have agreed tax raising powers should go to wales. They already handed over health and other areas, Have you not got it yet, England wants out of Welsh affairs and Wales. The only reason they want Scotland in is because they have oil, what has wales got but the outstretched hand ?
And god help us if we give 'tax raising powers' to the WAG.
This was my greatest fear and why I voted against it.
It was obvious that we would be run by a socialist inspired ideology forever.
As most of my fellow countrymen always vote for Labour this was a foregone conclusion.
We will never know how another party would run Wales so we are stuck with the present shower of numbskulls in Cardiff Bay.
I do agree with you that England wanted out of Welsh affairs and Wales though and we have played right into their hands by appointing an Assembly.
And, therefore, as Llanmartinangel pointed out, "they are determined to keep it poor and third world".
I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?[/p][/quote]We all had plenty of time to decide on the vote, whilst Agree the turnout was poor whose fault was that, surely it is the fault of those who didn't take Wales seriously, NOW they want to vote ? 'Don't blame me I didn't vote..' Democracy has already spoken, people had their chance decided not to use it. Where does democracy decide ? maybe we will all vote again to get rid of the coalition, oops we never had ANY vote on that. So let us all rejoin that set up in London ? People who want the WAG got rid of, are the very people who sat on their rear ends saying an Assembly would never happen, they were wrong, even England/Westminster have agreed tax raising powers should go to wales. They already handed over health and other areas, Have you not got it yet, England wants out of Welsh affairs and Wales. The only reason they want Scotland in is because they have oil, what has wales got but the outstretched hand ?[/p][/quote]And god help us if we give 'tax raising powers' to the WAG. This was my greatest fear and why I voted against it. It was obvious that we would be run by a socialist inspired ideology forever. As most of my fellow countrymen always vote for Labour this was a foregone conclusion. We will never know how another party would run Wales so we are stuck with the present shower of numbskulls in Cardiff Bay. I do agree with you that England wanted out of Welsh affairs and Wales though and we have played right into their hands by appointing an Assembly. And, therefore, as Llanmartinangel pointed out, "they are determined to keep it poor and third world". I rest my case. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 2

12:31pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Sometimes wrote:
Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?
We all had plenty of time to decide on the vote, whilst Agree the turnout was poor whose fault was that, surely it is the fault of those who didn't take Wales seriously, NOW they want to vote ? 'Don't blame me I didn't vote..' Democracy has already spoken, people had their chance decided not to use it. Where does democracy decide ? maybe we will all vote again to get rid of the coalition, oops we never had ANY vote on that.

So let us all rejoin that set up in London ? People who want the WAG got rid of, are the very people who sat on their rear ends saying an Assembly would never happen, they were wrong, even England/Westminster have agreed tax raising powers should go to wales. They already handed over health and other areas, Have you not got it yet, England wants out of Welsh affairs and Wales. The only reason they want Scotland in is because they have oil, what has wales got but the outstretched hand ?
And god help us if we give 'tax raising powers' to the WAG.
This was my greatest fear and why I voted against it.
It was obvious that we would be run by a socialist inspired ideology forever.
As most of my fellow countrymen always vote for Labour this was a foregone conclusion.
We will never know how another party would run Wales so we are stuck with the present shower of numbskulls in Cardiff Bay.
I do agree with you that England wanted out of Welsh affairs and Wales though and we have played right into their hands by appointing an Assembly.
And, therefore, as Llanmartinangel pointed out, "they are determined to keep it poor and third world".
I rest my case.
Never mind you will get 2 extra days holiday. A day off to celebrate the WAG and a day off to celebrate Carwyn's birthday
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Why isn't there to be another referendum on whether we want to keep devolved powers and the Welsh Assembly? Owing to the small difference between the yes and no vote surely there should be another referendum to ask whether we still want to continue with the current setup, isn't this how democracy is supposed to work?[/p][/quote]We all had plenty of time to decide on the vote, whilst Agree the turnout was poor whose fault was that, surely it is the fault of those who didn't take Wales seriously, NOW they want to vote ? 'Don't blame me I didn't vote..' Democracy has already spoken, people had their chance decided not to use it. Where does democracy decide ? maybe we will all vote again to get rid of the coalition, oops we never had ANY vote on that. So let us all rejoin that set up in London ? People who want the WAG got rid of, are the very people who sat on their rear ends saying an Assembly would never happen, they were wrong, even England/Westminster have agreed tax raising powers should go to wales. They already handed over health and other areas, Have you not got it yet, England wants out of Welsh affairs and Wales. The only reason they want Scotland in is because they have oil, what has wales got but the outstretched hand ?[/p][/quote]And god help us if we give 'tax raising powers' to the WAG. This was my greatest fear and why I voted against it. It was obvious that we would be run by a socialist inspired ideology forever. As most of my fellow countrymen always vote for Labour this was a foregone conclusion. We will never know how another party would run Wales so we are stuck with the present shower of numbskulls in Cardiff Bay. I do agree with you that England wanted out of Welsh affairs and Wales though and we have played right into their hands by appointing an Assembly. And, therefore, as Llanmartinangel pointed out, "they are determined to keep it poor and third world". I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Never mind you will get 2 extra days holiday. A day off to celebrate the WAG and a day off to celebrate Carwyn's birthday Bobevans
  • Score: 1

4:29pm Fri 7 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

KarloMarko wrote:
FACTS OF LIFE:

The Welsh Assemley will NOT be abolished.
( No-one cares either way and its a premier career option for the Welsh middle class and their kids).


The UK will NOT withdraw from the EU ( tbe City would never allow it).

UKIP, short for "You Know I'm P**\*dNote to those who claim that no one in Wales wants the Assembly - the people of Wales voted for it in 1997 and again in 2011. The fact that the areas that voted no in 1997 voted yes in 2011 (with the exception of Monmouthshire, where there was only a percent between the yest and no campaigns)
shows that people see the importance of having a Welsh voice in Britain, especially now that we have the condems doing their best to ruin the country from Westminster.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: FACTS OF LIFE: The Welsh Assemley will NOT be abolished. ( No-one cares either way and its a premier career option for the Welsh middle class and their kids). The UK will NOT withdraw from the EU ( tbe City would never allow it). UKIP, short for "You Know I'm P**\*dNote to those who claim that no one in Wales wants the Assembly - the people of Wales voted for it in 1997 and again in 2011. The fact that the areas that voted no in 1997 voted yes in 2011 (with the exception of Monmouthshire, where there was only a percent between the yest and no campaigns) shows that people see the importance of having a Welsh voice in Britain, especially now that we have the condems doing their best to ruin the country from Westminster. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: -1

4:29pm Fri 7 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

KarloMarko wrote:
FACTS OF LIFE:

The Welsh Assemley will NOT be abolished.
( No-one cares either way and its a premier career option for the Welsh middle class and their kids).


The UK will NOT withdraw from the EU ( tbe City would never allow it).

UKIP, short for "You Know I'm P**\*dNote to those who claim that no one in Wales wants the Assembly - the people of Wales voted for it in 1997 and again in 2011. The fact that the areas that voted no in 1997 voted yes in 2011 (with the exception of Monmouthshire, where there was only a percent between the yest and no campaigns)
shows that people see the importance of having a Welsh voice in Britain, especially now that we have the condems doing their best to ruin the country from Westminster.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: FACTS OF LIFE: The Welsh Assemley will NOT be abolished. ( No-one cares either way and its a premier career option for the Welsh middle class and their kids). The UK will NOT withdraw from the EU ( tbe City would never allow it). UKIP, short for "You Know I'm P**\*dNote to those who claim that no one in Wales wants the Assembly - the people of Wales voted for it in 1997 and again in 2011. The fact that the areas that voted no in 1997 voted yes in 2011 (with the exception of Monmouthshire, where there was only a percent between the yest and no campaigns) shows that people see the importance of having a Welsh voice in Britain, especially now that we have the condems doing their best to ruin the country from Westminster. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 0

4:53pm Fri 7 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Abertillery29 wrote:
How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc.
Who is going to pay for it all.
Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters.
The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.
Absolutely.
More snouts in the trough at the Assembly.
Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time.
We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future.
The future certainly isn't bright here.
Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.
You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.
Show me the evidence of hope?.
Third world education and NHS.
Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff.
Need I go on.
It is you that is too stupid for words.
Wasting your time CaB. He/she will bang on with the dullard Labour party mantra in spite of irrefutable and overwhelming evidence to the fact that they are an unmitigated disaster when in central government and for Wales, even worse. They are determined to keep it poor and third world. Why? Because if you are prosperous, self-sufficient and aspirational then you are no use to the Labour party and they would cease to exist.
I suppose by 'prosperous, self sufficient and aspirational' you mean the tax-exiles like Lord Ashcroft who the tories protect, or the phone-hacking media moguls who the tories let into downing street? Or maybe the tory cabinet members with interests in private healthcare, who are currently benefitting from the privatization/carve-
up of the NHS? Or the thatcher-endorsed foreign shareholders who now run our once publically-owned utilities? Or the dictatorial big industry-owners who have pushed out trade unions and employment rights while bringing in zero-hours contracts? Or the ministers who live in hereditary mansions whilst imposing an unfair bedroom tax?

And if you want to talk about 'unmitigated disasters' - how about Ian Duncan Smith's failed work programme (which incidentally, has been shown up badly by the success of Jobs Growth Wales), or Michael Gove's 'free school' agenda and curriculum changes, which have been universally condemend by teachers? Or Andrew Lansley and Jeremy Hunt's NHS re-organisation, which broke their election pledges (remember those awful, cheesy,airbrushed Cameron posters?), and were universally condemned by doctors and nurses? Or George 'Gideon' Osbourne's record borrowing, ruining our international credit rating,and that great solution to tackling the rescuing the British economy, the pasty tax?

There's a reason the tories are only polling at a lowly 19% in Wales.
Tories can label the people of Wales as 'sheep' as much as they want, then at least we're sensible sheep who don't vote for omnishambles that is the tory party. Bring on 2015.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abertillery29[/bold] wrote: How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc. Who is going to pay for it all. Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters. The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. More snouts in the trough at the Assembly. Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time. We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future. The future certainly isn't bright here. Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.[/p][/quote]You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.[/p][/quote]Show me the evidence of hope?. Third world education and NHS. Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff. Need I go on. It is you that is too stupid for words.[/p][/quote]Wasting your time CaB. He/she will bang on with the dullard Labour party mantra in spite of irrefutable and overwhelming evidence to the fact that they are an unmitigated disaster when in central government and for Wales, even worse. They are determined to keep it poor and third world. Why? Because if you are prosperous, self-sufficient and aspirational then you are no use to the Labour party and they would cease to exist.[/p][/quote]I suppose by 'prosperous, self sufficient and aspirational' you mean the tax-exiles like Lord Ashcroft who the tories protect, or the phone-hacking media moguls who the tories let into downing street? Or maybe the tory cabinet members with interests in private healthcare, who are currently benefitting from the privatization/carve- up of the NHS? Or the thatcher-endorsed foreign shareholders who now run our once publically-owned utilities? Or the dictatorial big industry-owners who have pushed out trade unions and employment rights while bringing in zero-hours contracts? Or the ministers who live in hereditary mansions whilst imposing an unfair bedroom tax? And if you want to talk about 'unmitigated disasters' - how about Ian Duncan Smith's failed work programme (which incidentally, has been shown up badly by the success of Jobs Growth Wales), or Michael Gove's 'free school' agenda and curriculum changes, which have been universally condemend by teachers? Or Andrew Lansley and Jeremy Hunt's NHS re-organisation, which broke their election pledges (remember those awful, cheesy,airbrushed Cameron posters?), and were universally condemned by doctors and nurses? Or George 'Gideon' Osbourne's record borrowing, ruining our international credit rating,and that great solution to tackling the rescuing the British economy, the pasty tax? There's a reason the tories are only polling at a lowly 19% in Wales. Tories can label the people of Wales as 'sheep' as much as they want, then at least we're sensible sheep who don't vote for omnishambles that is the tory party. Bring on 2015. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 0

1:07am Sat 8 Mar 14

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
OFCOM declare UKIP a Major Party

UKIP is set to get more TV exposure in the run-up to May's European elections after watchdog Ofcom said it would be considered as a "major party".

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-politics-26

422876


It will get at least two election broadcasts on ITV and Channel 5, twice as many as in the past, as well as an "appropriate" share of news coverage.

Ofcom said UKIP had performed strongly in the past and had "significant" current support in England and Wales.
If UKIP is the answer Bob, we all know it's a really stupid question......few more questions about their expenses to be answered I see.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: OFCOM declare UKIP a Major Party UKIP is set to get more TV exposure in the run-up to May's European elections after watchdog Ofcom said it would be considered as a "major party". http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-26 422876 It will get at least two election broadcasts on ITV and Channel 5, twice as many as in the past, as well as an "appropriate" share of news coverage. Ofcom said UKIP had performed strongly in the past and had "significant" current support in England and Wales.[/p][/quote]If UKIP is the answer Bob, we all know it's a really stupid question......few more questions about their expenses to be answered I see. Howie'
  • Score: 1

10:34am Sat 8 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Abertillery29 wrote:
How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc.
Who is going to pay for it all.
Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters.
The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.
Absolutely.
More snouts in the trough at the Assembly.
Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time.
We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future.
The future certainly isn't bright here.
Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.
You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.
Show me the evidence of hope?.
Third world education and NHS.
Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff.
Need I go on.
It is you that is too stupid for words.
Wasting your time CaB. He/she will bang on with the dullard Labour party mantra in spite of irrefutable and overwhelming evidence to the fact that they are an unmitigated disaster when in central government and for Wales, even worse. They are determined to keep it poor and third world. Why? Because if you are prosperous, self-sufficient and aspirational then you are no use to the Labour party and they would cease to exist.
I suppose by 'prosperous, self sufficient and aspirational' you mean the tax-exiles like Lord Ashcroft who the tories protect, or the phone-hacking media moguls who the tories let into downing street? Or maybe the tory cabinet members with interests in private healthcare, who are currently benefitting from the privatization/carve-

up of the NHS? Or the thatcher-endorsed foreign shareholders who now run our once publically-owned utilities? Or the dictatorial big industry-owners who have pushed out trade unions and employment rights while bringing in zero-hours contracts? Or the ministers who live in hereditary mansions whilst imposing an unfair bedroom tax?

And if you want to talk about 'unmitigated disasters' - how about Ian Duncan Smith's failed work programme (which incidentally, has been shown up badly by the success of Jobs Growth Wales), or Michael Gove's 'free school' agenda and curriculum changes, which have been universally condemend by teachers? Or Andrew Lansley and Jeremy Hunt's NHS re-organisation, which broke their election pledges (remember those awful, cheesy,airbrushed Cameron posters?), and were universally condemned by doctors and nurses? Or George 'Gideon' Osbourne's record borrowing, ruining our international credit rating,and that great solution to tackling the rescuing the British economy, the pasty tax?

There's a reason the tories are only polling at a lowly 19% in Wales.
Tories can label the people of Wales as 'sheep' as much as they want, then at least we're sensible sheep who don't vote for omnishambles that is the tory party. Bring on 2015.
You have a very short memory or are ignorant of the facts.
The Labour party under Tony B Liar and Brown were in power for 13 years.
During that time they managed to bankrupt the Country.
And I am not willing to accept the usual socialist argument that it was a global problem and that they had nothing to do with it.
Face the facts, if Labour get in again, we will end up worse off and have to go through this austerity thing once more.
Please don't go on about the Tories having their 'snouts in the trough'.
The worst offenders in the expenses scandal were Labour politicians.
The truth is that they are a bunch of hypocrites, peddling their socialist agenda whilst laughing at people like you who support them and then laughing all the way to the bank.
The reason why the Tories poll low in Wales is because people in this part of the world lack ambition and drive and vote Labour because their father did.
Also, the fact that Labour are the party of welfare and supportive of the work shy must have something to do with it.
Wales is a failing economy and is going NOWHERE under Labour.
But don't let that stop you for voting for more of the same.
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abertillery29[/bold] wrote: How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc. Who is going to pay for it all. Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters. The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. More snouts in the trough at the Assembly. Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time. We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future. The future certainly isn't bright here. Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.[/p][/quote]You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.[/p][/quote]Show me the evidence of hope?. Third world education and NHS. Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff. Need I go on. It is you that is too stupid for words.[/p][/quote]Wasting your time CaB. He/she will bang on with the dullard Labour party mantra in spite of irrefutable and overwhelming evidence to the fact that they are an unmitigated disaster when in central government and for Wales, even worse. They are determined to keep it poor and third world. Why? Because if you are prosperous, self-sufficient and aspirational then you are no use to the Labour party and they would cease to exist.[/p][/quote]I suppose by 'prosperous, self sufficient and aspirational' you mean the tax-exiles like Lord Ashcroft who the tories protect, or the phone-hacking media moguls who the tories let into downing street? Or maybe the tory cabinet members with interests in private healthcare, who are currently benefitting from the privatization/carve- up of the NHS? Or the thatcher-endorsed foreign shareholders who now run our once publically-owned utilities? Or the dictatorial big industry-owners who have pushed out trade unions and employment rights while bringing in zero-hours contracts? Or the ministers who live in hereditary mansions whilst imposing an unfair bedroom tax? And if you want to talk about 'unmitigated disasters' - how about Ian Duncan Smith's failed work programme (which incidentally, has been shown up badly by the success of Jobs Growth Wales), or Michael Gove's 'free school' agenda and curriculum changes, which have been universally condemend by teachers? Or Andrew Lansley and Jeremy Hunt's NHS re-organisation, which broke their election pledges (remember those awful, cheesy,airbrushed Cameron posters?), and were universally condemned by doctors and nurses? Or George 'Gideon' Osbourne's record borrowing, ruining our international credit rating,and that great solution to tackling the rescuing the British economy, the pasty tax? There's a reason the tories are only polling at a lowly 19% in Wales. Tories can label the people of Wales as 'sheep' as much as they want, then at least we're sensible sheep who don't vote for omnishambles that is the tory party. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]You have a very short memory or are ignorant of the facts. The Labour party under Tony B Liar and Brown were in power for 13 years. During that time they managed to bankrupt the Country. And I am not willing to accept the usual socialist argument that it was a global problem and that they had nothing to do with it. Face the facts, if Labour get in again, we will end up worse off and have to go through this austerity thing once more. Please don't go on about the Tories having their 'snouts in the trough'. The worst offenders in the expenses scandal were Labour politicians. The truth is that they are a bunch of hypocrites, peddling their socialist agenda whilst laughing at people like you who support them and then laughing all the way to the bank. The reason why the Tories poll low in Wales is because people in this part of the world lack ambition and drive and vote Labour because their father did. Also, the fact that Labour are the party of welfare and supportive of the work shy must have something to do with it. Wales is a failing economy and is going NOWHERE under Labour. But don't let that stop you for voting for more of the same. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 0

11:16am Sat 8 Mar 14

Crossbenchtory says...

Facts

Since devolution the WAG has been made up of a LabLib coalition, a LabPlaid coalition and a Lab only administration.

Since devolution the NHS in Wales has gone in a steady downward spiral with waiting lists skyrocketing, targets missed, mortality rates increasing, unreliable ambulance attendance and now the need to ship patients off to England for treatment.

Since devolution educational standards in Wales have plummeted leaving us with the worst outcomes in Europe and a generation of largely illiterate and innumerate young people.

Since devolution GDP output in Wales has spiralled downwards leaving us one of the poorest parts of Europe with vast numbers of the workforce subsisting on the minimum wage.

Since devolution 3 of the 4 main political parties in Wales have been involved in regional government at the assembly and presided over this decent into oblivion.

When considering the above the rational person can only come to one of two conclusions, either the Welsh voting public are using their votes unwisely and carelessly by continually returning WAG's with appalling track records or, with 75% of the main parties in Wales having been involved in forming WAG's, devolution simply does not work.

Whichever conclusion you draw one thing is certain, the WAG and the Assembly, and indeed devolution, has thus far failed the people of Wales very very badly.
Facts Since devolution the WAG has been made up of a LabLib coalition, a LabPlaid coalition and a Lab only administration. Since devolution the NHS in Wales has gone in a steady downward spiral with waiting lists skyrocketing, targets missed, mortality rates increasing, unreliable ambulance attendance and now the need to ship patients off to England for treatment. Since devolution educational standards in Wales have plummeted leaving us with the worst outcomes in Europe and a generation of largely illiterate and innumerate young people. Since devolution GDP output in Wales has spiralled downwards leaving us one of the poorest parts of Europe with vast numbers of the workforce subsisting on the minimum wage. Since devolution 3 of the 4 main political parties in Wales have been involved in regional government at the assembly and presided over this decent into oblivion. When considering the above the rational person can only come to one of two conclusions, either the Welsh voting public are using their votes unwisely and carelessly by continually returning WAG's with appalling track records or, with 75% of the main parties in Wales having been involved in forming WAG's, devolution simply does not work. Whichever conclusion you draw one thing is certain, the WAG and the Assembly, and indeed devolution, has thus far failed the people of Wales very very badly. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 4

10:01am Mon 10 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

cymruambeth- Although I am socialist, so perhaps you might say I'm biased, I don't think it's a 'socialist argument' to suggest that there was a global financial crisis in 2008, it's a fact (as much as the tories would like to blame Labour for everything from Detroit going bankrupt to Iceland and Greece going bust). If you want to talk about economics - here are some other facts that get in the way of the gideon osbourne's economic argument 1/ To use the tory jargon of 'inheritance' (when you look at the current cabinet, who owe most of their privileges in life to 'inheritance' rather than the 'drive' and 'ambition' you mention, it's hardly suprising that they use this word) in 1997 Labour inherited a deficit of 3.9% of GDP and by 2008 it had fallen to 2.1% (roughly a 50% decrease) 2/ Debt was at 35% when Labour left office - within two years of the tories being in power it had risen to 42%. 3/ Gideon Osborne lost our AAA credit rating, increased borrowing and, under his watch, the use of zero-hours contracts has spiralled and the use of foodbanks has trebled.

And you mention hypocrisy - how about the tories now infamous 'we'll cut the deficit not the NHS pledge'? or their promise not to cut Sure Start? or their condem colleagues promising not to raise tuition fees?

And as for the offensive comments you make about Welsh voters, are you sure you're not 'scrapthewag' in disguise?
cymruambeth- Although I am socialist, so perhaps you might say I'm biased, I don't think it's a 'socialist argument' to suggest that there was a global financial crisis in 2008, it's a fact (as much as the tories would like to blame Labour for everything from Detroit going bankrupt to Iceland and Greece going bust). If you want to talk about economics - here are some other facts that get in the way of the gideon osbourne's economic argument 1/ To use the tory jargon of 'inheritance' (when you look at the current cabinet, who owe most of their privileges in life to 'inheritance' rather than the 'drive' and 'ambition' you mention, it's hardly suprising that they use this word) in 1997 Labour inherited a deficit of 3.9% of GDP and by 2008 it had fallen to 2.1% (roughly a 50% decrease) 2/ Debt was at 35% when Labour left office - within two years of the tories being in power it had risen to 42%. 3/ Gideon Osborne lost our AAA credit rating, increased borrowing and, under his watch, the use of zero-hours contracts has spiralled and the use of foodbanks has trebled. And you mention hypocrisy - how about the tories now infamous 'we'll cut the deficit not the NHS pledge'? or their promise not to cut Sure Start? or their condem colleagues promising not to raise tuition fees? And as for the offensive comments you make about Welsh voters, are you sure you're not 'scrapthewag' in disguise? BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 0

10:40am Mon 10 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
Facts

Since devolution the WAG has been made up of a LabLib coalition, a LabPlaid coalition and a Lab only administration.

Since devolution the NHS in Wales has gone in a steady downward spiral with waiting lists skyrocketing, targets missed, mortality rates increasing, unreliable ambulance attendance and now the need to ship patients off to England for treatment.

Since devolution educational standards in Wales have plummeted leaving us with the worst outcomes in Europe and a generation of largely illiterate and innumerate young people.

Since devolution GDP output in Wales has spiralled downwards leaving us one of the poorest parts of Europe with vast numbers of the workforce subsisting on the minimum wage.

Since devolution 3 of the 4 main political parties in Wales have been involved in regional government at the assembly and presided over this decent into oblivion.

When considering the above the rational person can only come to one of two conclusions, either the Welsh voting public are using their votes unwisely and carelessly by continually returning WAG's with appalling track records or, with 75% of the main parties in Wales having been involved in forming WAG's, devolution simply does not work.

Whichever conclusion you draw one thing is certain, the WAG and the Assembly, and indeed devolution, has thus far failed the people of Wales very very badly.
crossbenchtory - I agree there are problems within the NHS in Wales (mostly due a lack of funding from the UK Government), but then again things aren't rosy over the border - 60% of hospitals in England have death rates above the base line (this figure drops to 44% in Wales) while Wales has the oldest and sickest population in Britain, with the highest rate of post-industrial disease in the UK to add into the mixture. However, the tories deliberately mislead in trying to compare the NHS in a country of 50 odd million with the NHS in a country of less than 3 million. If you actually compare Wales with an area with similar demographics and a similar population in England (i.e. the North West or the North East) our NHS is faring much better. More to the point, we aren't being subjected to the backdoor privatisation that is creeping into A and E departments across England.

Then onto education, England (and sadly Britian) has bigger problems than Wales. The Westminster education secretary - Michael Gove - has made an enemy of teachers up and down the country (apparently teaching children about the atrocities of the First World War makes them 'far-left' and not patriotic), whilst Gove delights in wasting time and money on his 'free' schools shambles and reshuffling the teaching curriculum. More to the point, in a Welsh context, the only local authority in Wales with its education department under special measures is Monmouthshire...whic
h is run by the tories.

And I think that the poverty suffered by many in Wales has more to do with deindustrialisation (particularly the callous destruction of the coal and steel industries under Thatcher) than with the Welsh Assembly. More needs to be done, but at least the Assembly has brought in the JobsGrowth Wales scheme, which has a far better track record than Ian Ducan-Smith's 'work' programme. The tories' should stop their cynical political attacks on Wales, which demonise doctors, nurses, teachers, the working poor and the unemployed.
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: Facts Since devolution the WAG has been made up of a LabLib coalition, a LabPlaid coalition and a Lab only administration. Since devolution the NHS in Wales has gone in a steady downward spiral with waiting lists skyrocketing, targets missed, mortality rates increasing, unreliable ambulance attendance and now the need to ship patients off to England for treatment. Since devolution educational standards in Wales have plummeted leaving us with the worst outcomes in Europe and a generation of largely illiterate and innumerate young people. Since devolution GDP output in Wales has spiralled downwards leaving us one of the poorest parts of Europe with vast numbers of the workforce subsisting on the minimum wage. Since devolution 3 of the 4 main political parties in Wales have been involved in regional government at the assembly and presided over this decent into oblivion. When considering the above the rational person can only come to one of two conclusions, either the Welsh voting public are using their votes unwisely and carelessly by continually returning WAG's with appalling track records or, with 75% of the main parties in Wales having been involved in forming WAG's, devolution simply does not work. Whichever conclusion you draw one thing is certain, the WAG and the Assembly, and indeed devolution, has thus far failed the people of Wales very very badly.[/p][/quote]crossbenchtory - I agree there are problems within the NHS in Wales (mostly due a lack of funding from the UK Government), but then again things aren't rosy over the border - 60% of hospitals in England have death rates above the base line (this figure drops to 44% in Wales) while Wales has the oldest and sickest population in Britain, with the highest rate of post-industrial disease in the UK to add into the mixture. However, the tories deliberately mislead in trying to compare the NHS in a country of 50 odd million with the NHS in a country of less than 3 million. If you actually compare Wales with an area with similar demographics and a similar population in England (i.e. the North West or the North East) our NHS is faring much better. More to the point, we aren't being subjected to the backdoor privatisation that is creeping into A and E departments across England. Then onto education, England (and sadly Britian) has bigger problems than Wales. The Westminster education secretary - Michael Gove - has made an enemy of teachers up and down the country (apparently teaching children about the atrocities of the First World War makes them 'far-left' and not patriotic), whilst Gove delights in wasting time and money on his 'free' schools shambles and reshuffling the teaching curriculum. More to the point, in a Welsh context, the only local authority in Wales with its education department under special measures is Monmouthshire...whic h is run by the tories. And I think that the poverty suffered by many in Wales has more to do with deindustrialisation (particularly the callous destruction of the coal and steel industries under Thatcher) than with the Welsh Assembly. More needs to be done, but at least the Assembly has brought in the JobsGrowth Wales scheme, which has a far better track record than Ian Ducan-Smith's 'work' programme. The tories' should stop their cynical political attacks on Wales, which demonise doctors, nurses, teachers, the working poor and the unemployed. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: -1

10:58am Mon 10 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Abertillery29 wrote:
How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc.
Who is going to pay for it all.
Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters.
The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.
Absolutely.
More snouts in the trough at the Assembly.
Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time.
We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future.
The future certainly isn't bright here.
Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.
You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.
Show me the evidence of hope?.
Third world education and NHS.
Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff.
Need I go on.
It is you that is too stupid for words.
Wasting your time CaB. He/she will bang on with the dullard Labour party mantra in spite of irrefutable and overwhelming evidence to the fact that they are an unmitigated disaster when in central government and for Wales, even worse. They are determined to keep it poor and third world. Why? Because if you are prosperous, self-sufficient and aspirational then you are no use to the Labour party and they would cease to exist.
I suppose by 'prosperous, self sufficient and aspirational' you mean the tax-exiles like Lord Ashcroft who the tories protect, or the phone-hacking media moguls who the tories let into downing street? Or maybe the tory cabinet members with interests in private healthcare, who are currently benefitting from the privatization/carve-

up of the NHS? Or the thatcher-endorsed foreign shareholders who now run our once publically-owned utilities? Or the dictatorial big industry-owners who have pushed out trade unions and employment rights while bringing in zero-hours contracts? Or the ministers who live in hereditary mansions whilst imposing an unfair bedroom tax?

And if you want to talk about 'unmitigated disasters' - how about Ian Duncan Smith's failed work programme (which incidentally, has been shown up badly by the success of Jobs Growth Wales), or Michael Gove's 'free school' agenda and curriculum changes, which have been universally condemend by teachers? Or Andrew Lansley and Jeremy Hunt's NHS re-organisation, which broke their election pledges (remember those awful, cheesy,airbrushed Cameron posters?), and were universally condemned by doctors and nurses? Or George 'Gideon' Osbourne's record borrowing, ruining our international credit rating,and that great solution to tackling the rescuing the British economy, the pasty tax?

There's a reason the tories are only polling at a lowly 19% in Wales.
Tories can label the people of Wales as 'sheep' as much as they want, then at least we're sensible sheep who don't vote for omnishambles that is the tory party. Bring on 2015.
By anti-aspiration I was referring to the 140 taxes introduced or raised by Brown, not on the rich but on the working people so that he could finance an insane benefit system and a war. Fair call on the pasty tax but Browns stupid abolition of the lowest income tax rate was a bigger 'omnishambles'.
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abertillery29[/bold] wrote: How can you seriously look at this report when it recommends more AMs, therefore more expenses with their extra salaries, pensions, office staff etc. Who is going to pay for it all. Then the devolving of the police - so we go back to the old days of political interference in police matters. The W.A.G is an example of an experiment that has gone horribly wrong except for those elected to it.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. More snouts in the trough at the Assembly. Also, we will never have a chance to vote any other party in as the Welsh Sheep will vote for Labour control of the Assembly every time. We are heading for (if we are not there already) a third world part of the UK, full of no-hopers without ambition or future. The future certainly isn't bright here. Anybody with ambition should leave and turn the lights out as he or she goes.[/p][/quote]You are too stupid for words. Labour has never had a majority in the Assembly and if you cannot understand that there is not hope. Learn to count.[/p][/quote]Show me the evidence of hope?. Third world education and NHS. Purchase of a failing airport in Cardiff. Need I go on. It is you that is too stupid for words.[/p][/quote]Wasting your time CaB. He/she will bang on with the dullard Labour party mantra in spite of irrefutable and overwhelming evidence to the fact that they are an unmitigated disaster when in central government and for Wales, even worse. They are determined to keep it poor and third world. Why? Because if you are prosperous, self-sufficient and aspirational then you are no use to the Labour party and they would cease to exist.[/p][/quote]I suppose by 'prosperous, self sufficient and aspirational' you mean the tax-exiles like Lord Ashcroft who the tories protect, or the phone-hacking media moguls who the tories let into downing street? Or maybe the tory cabinet members with interests in private healthcare, who are currently benefitting from the privatization/carve- up of the NHS? Or the thatcher-endorsed foreign shareholders who now run our once publically-owned utilities? Or the dictatorial big industry-owners who have pushed out trade unions and employment rights while bringing in zero-hours contracts? Or the ministers who live in hereditary mansions whilst imposing an unfair bedroom tax? And if you want to talk about 'unmitigated disasters' - how about Ian Duncan Smith's failed work programme (which incidentally, has been shown up badly by the success of Jobs Growth Wales), or Michael Gove's 'free school' agenda and curriculum changes, which have been universally condemend by teachers? Or Andrew Lansley and Jeremy Hunt's NHS re-organisation, which broke their election pledges (remember those awful, cheesy,airbrushed Cameron posters?), and were universally condemned by doctors and nurses? Or George 'Gideon' Osbourne's record borrowing, ruining our international credit rating,and that great solution to tackling the rescuing the British economy, the pasty tax? There's a reason the tories are only polling at a lowly 19% in Wales. Tories can label the people of Wales as 'sheep' as much as they want, then at least we're sensible sheep who don't vote for omnishambles that is the tory party. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]By anti-aspiration I was referring to the 140 taxes introduced or raised by Brown, not on the rich but on the working people so that he could finance an insane benefit system and a war. Fair call on the pasty tax but Browns stupid abolition of the lowest income tax rate was a bigger 'omnishambles'. Llanmartinangel
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