Pressure still on Welsh Secretary David Jones in gay marriage row

WELSH Secretary David Jones remained under pressure today over comments about gay marriage today as Labour dismissed his denial of being homophobic and demanded a public apology.

Mr Jones insisted he was not opposed to same-sex couples raising children after sparking outrage by appearing to suggest they could not provide a "warm and safe environment’’.

"I did not say in the interview that same-sex partners should not adopt children and that is not my view,’’ said the MP - who had been explaining his decision to vote against the legalisation of gay marriage.

"I simply sought to point out that, since same-sex partners could not biologically procreate children, the institution of marriage was one that, in my opinion, should be reserved to opposite sex partners.’’ "I made the point of stressing that I was fully supportive of committed same-sex relationships. I also strongly approve of civil partnerships,’’ he added in a statement.

In the original interview - with ITV Wales - he said the institution of marriage was meant to provide "a warm and safe environment for the upbringing of children, which is clearly something that two same-sex partners can't do.

"Which is not to say that I'm in any sense opposed to stable and committed same-sex partnerships,’’ he said, adding that he had "people in my life who are important to me who are gay’’.

Shadow Welsh secretary Owen Smith has written to David Cameron dismissing the explanation as "obfuscation’’ and calling on the Prime Minister to demand his cabinet colleague withdraw the remark and apologise.

In the letter, he said the remarks "betray a lack of acceptance for same-sex relationships that is out of step with the majority of people in our country.

"I believe you should now ask him to withdraw the comments and apologise. I would also like to ask whether you find it acceptable or appropriate for the most senior Conservative MP in Wales to make these comments?’’ he added.

Mr Smith said: "David Jones has chosen not to apologise for these unacceptable comments. It is time for David Cameron to make clear whether he thinks it is unacceptable for the Welsh Secretary to make these comments.’’ A spokesman for Mr Cameron said last night: "Gay marriage and gay adoption are both conscience issues and, as such, have been treated as free votes. The Prime Minister is a supporter of both.’’

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2:21pm Sun 17 Feb 13

Slider02 says...

Back tracking will not work for this guy - and on this whole subject - it seems to me that no-one has even touched the subject of transgender and how it affects this new law. I mean if an individual decides to cross the gender divide and live according to the opposing gender - i would ask - - would this also make this guy say the wrong thing as well? after all it seems that anything other than what he believes to be "normal" should be frowned upon - and not allowed. And i thought we lived in a liberal society - it seems not (if you are a tory that is )!
Back tracking will not work for this guy - and on this whole subject - it seems to me that no-one has even touched the subject of transgender and how it affects this new law. I mean if an individual decides to cross the gender divide and live according to the opposing gender - i would ask - - would this also make this guy say the wrong thing as well? after all it seems that anything other than what he believes to be "normal" should be frowned upon - and not allowed. And i thought we lived in a liberal society - it seems not (if you are a tory that is )! Slider02

3:05pm Sun 17 Feb 13

KarmaSuitsYa says...

IMO it was a crappy thing to say - he is however entitled to his opinion, and shouldn't be made to retract it unless he's actually changed his mind.

Too many politicians say what they think people want to hear, instead of what they think.
IMO it was a crappy thing to say - he is however entitled to his opinion, and shouldn't be made to retract it unless he's actually changed his mind. Too many politicians say what they think people want to hear, instead of what they think. KarmaSuitsYa

3:33pm Sun 17 Feb 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

Good point, Slider02: The new law will have a positive effect on couples in which one partner is transsexual and has had sex reassignment surgery because previously such couples were forced by law to divorce. This shows that the religious fundamentalist lobby who claimed to be sticking up for marriage - have actually been lying all along.

The so-called 'Welsh' Assembly isn't representative of the people of Wales because so far it contains not one openly LGBT MP. It remains an exclusively heterosexist and gendernormative place. Or perhaps it really is true that assemblies are merely the places where the **** sit?:)
Good point, Slider02: The new law will have a positive effect on couples in which one partner is transsexual and has had sex reassignment surgery because previously such couples were forced by law to divorce. This shows that the religious fundamentalist lobby who claimed to be sticking up for marriage - have actually been lying all along. The so-called 'Welsh' Assembly isn't representative of the people of Wales because so far it contains not one openly LGBT MP. It remains an exclusively heterosexist and gendernormative place. Or perhaps it really is true that assemblies are merely the places where the **** sit?:) Katie Re-Registered

3:36pm Sun 17 Feb 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

Can't believe that SWA blank out a word for donkey that is only a swear word in the USA. Another example of US cultural imperialism as expressed through spell checker (oops sorry, in yankspeak 'spellcheck')
Can't believe that SWA blank out a word for donkey that is only a swear word in the USA. Another example of US cultural imperialism as expressed through spell checker (oops sorry, in yankspeak 'spellcheck') Katie Re-Registered

5:09pm Sun 17 Feb 13

Newport Spark says...

This is ridiculous. If these are this guys beliefs so be it. No one has the right to tell him to apologise. You will also find that a great number of people in this country think the same way. He should not be hounded by the liberal media this country has got. I would rather a million MPs like him than the career,pc,afraid to speak their mind,excuses that pass for MPs nowadays. Politics should be about beliefs and not towing the pc party line. If people don't like what he says they can vote him out of office at the next election.
This is ridiculous. If these are this guys beliefs so be it. No one has the right to tell him to apologise. You will also find that a great number of people in this country think the same way. He should not be hounded by the liberal media this country has got. I would rather a million MPs like him than the career,pc,afraid to speak their mind,excuses that pass for MPs nowadays. Politics should be about beliefs and not towing the pc party line. If people don't like what he says they can vote him out of office at the next election. Newport Spark

5:56pm Sun 17 Feb 13

Dave1234567 says...

Surely Owen Smith should be the person resigning for his anti-Christian campaign. Let's have more tolerance for people's right to beliefs in this country before people start these obscene witch-hunts.
Surely Owen Smith should be the person resigning for his anti-Christian campaign. Let's have more tolerance for people's right to beliefs in this country before people start these obscene witch-hunts. Dave1234567

6:40pm Sun 17 Feb 13

blackandamber says...

Good for him. Say what you think and be damned. I do wonder what's next on the homosexual agenda.
Good for him. Say what you think and be damned. I do wonder what's next on the homosexual agenda. blackandamber

8:57pm Sun 17 Feb 13

Mervyn James says...

we all have right to a view, when that is challenged time to worry. While the 'great and good' are flying the universal love banner, and singing the coca cola dirge about teaching the world to sing in harmony, the fact remains even with a loving home, you cannot legislate a loving environment outside it.

Life is full of people who do not feel at all comfortable with homosexuality. I think this is what many are missing, once others know a child comes from an 'non standard' environment, they will target that child, kids will target anyone different, and the more they emphasise difference the more aggro they get.

I read of some kids teasing and bullying another because they had two married parents, which apparently few others had, some sign of the times when if your parents are married you are the odd one out ! You cannot legislate to educate, the pupil has to be willing and not forced. Prejudice starts at age 7, so the profs say, no matter what loving or caring environment you come from, it sadly seems an fact of growing up and peer pressures.

Legal threats just compound things,make them worse..
we all have right to a view, when that is challenged time to worry. While the 'great and good' are flying the universal love banner, and singing the coca cola dirge about teaching the world to sing in harmony, the fact remains even with a loving home, you cannot legislate a loving environment outside it. Life is full of people who do not feel at all comfortable with homosexuality. I think this is what many are missing, once others know a child comes from an 'non standard' environment, they will target that child, kids will target anyone different, and the more they emphasise difference the more aggro they get. I read of some kids teasing and bullying another because they had two married parents, which apparently few others had, some sign of the times when if your parents are married you are the odd one out ! You cannot legislate to educate, the pupil has to be willing and not forced. Prejudice starts at age 7, so the profs say, no matter what loving or caring environment you come from, it sadly seems an fact of growing up and peer pressures. Legal threats just compound things,make them worse.. Mervyn James

8:42am Mon 18 Feb 13

Dai Rear says...

"Prejudice starts at age 7"
When the Left use the P-word take a step back and think. After you're 7 you will start to cross the road to avoid certain people who may in fact be harmless but hey! P=(self)preservation
. "Gender" is an etymological term. For example a little girl in German is neuter. So if you mean reproductive capacity then I'm afraid there's only one word - sex.
Cameron opened this can of worms and the Millipedists love it, don't they?And yes I wonder what's next on the homosexual agenda too-outside of animal terrorists they are the most obsessive single issue fanatics I can recall in 7 decades. I never interruptd my parents accidentally in a moment of intimacy I'm happy to say, but had the state forced me to live with 2 males and I had encountered their intimacy.....
"Prejudice starts at age 7" When the Left use the P-word take a step back and think. After you're 7 you will start to cross the road to avoid certain people who may in fact be harmless but hey! P=(self)preservation . "Gender" is an etymological term. For example a little girl in German is neuter. So if you mean reproductive capacity then I'm afraid there's only one word - sex. Cameron opened this can of worms and the Millipedists love it, don't they?And yes I wonder what's next on the homosexual agenda too-outside of animal terrorists they are the most obsessive single issue fanatics I can recall in 7 decades. I never interruptd my parents accidentally in a moment of intimacy I'm happy to say, but had the state forced me to live with 2 males and I had encountered their intimacy..... Dai Rear

6:13pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Trefor says...

The Welsh ` minister` does NOT have the right to say what he likes in relation to the LAW.

As a public representative, responsible for making the law, he is NOT entitled to say what he likes if it falls foul of those laws, in this case he could express whatever views he likes ` in the chamber of the house of commons` during the debate to make or change laws, after which he promotes obeying that law or he should resign.

The stupid, cretinous, inane statement, he is said to have made is clearly inflamatory and is a slight on those, well balanced, well behaved, ` normal` children and young people who have been raised in same sex parental households, as opposed of course to those youngsters from the `normal` households he so much admires who have ended up on the wrong side of the law, who turn into animal and child abusers, and criminals of all sorts, and dare I say, even, crooked, thieving, imprisoned politicians from both houses of Parliament .

the man id wrong, is claims are inane, and without any factual foundation whatsoever, they are simply the view of one bigoted individual who should have known better than to make such utterings.
The Welsh ` minister` does NOT have the right to say what he likes in relation to the LAW. As a public representative, responsible for making the law, he is NOT entitled to say what he likes if it falls foul of those laws, in this case he could express whatever views he likes ` in the chamber of the house of commons` during the debate to make or change laws, after which he promotes obeying that law or he should resign. The stupid, cretinous, inane statement, he is said to have made is clearly inflamatory and is a slight on those, well balanced, well behaved, ` normal` children and young people who have been raised in same sex parental households, as opposed of course to those youngsters from the `normal` households he so much admires who have ended up on the wrong side of the law, who turn into animal and child abusers, and criminals of all sorts, and dare I say, even, crooked, thieving, imprisoned politicians from both houses of Parliament . the man id wrong, is claims are inane, and without any factual foundation whatsoever, they are simply the view of one bigoted individual who should have known better than to make such utterings. Trefor

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