Gwent pays tribute to Nelson Mandela

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GWENT politicians have paid tribute to Nelson Mandela who died in Johannesburg last night. Flags at the Senedd and Newport civic centre were flying at half-mast.

Former Labour leader and Islwyn MP, Neil Kinnock and his wife Glenys said Mandela was a “supreme inspiration to us from the early 1960’s when we first campaigned against Apartheid.

They said: “He showed unsurpassed courage and endurance in his fight against oppression, unequalled humanity in his guidance to South Africa and the World.

“He had the strength to be merciful, the wisdom to be gentle and generous. We salute those qualities of truly great leadership.

“It was a privilege to meet Mandela the hero, a delight to know Nelson the man. We cherish memories of time spent with him – and to be called ‘comrade‘ by him was an unforgettable honour.

“We send our love and deepest sympathy to Graca and the Mandela family.”

The South Wales Argus front page from 12th February 1990 showing celebrations at the release of Nelson Mandela from prison:

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Paul Murphy, MP for Torfaen, said: “I vividly remember visiting South Africa when I was Northern Ireland Secretary, to look at their Peace and Reconciliation process. It brought home dramatically the huge influence of Nelson Mandela, who symbolised the very word reconciliation.

“His fight for justice changed South Africa and the world for the better. His strength in the face of oppression was unshakable, even at great personal cost to himself, spending 27 years unjustly imprisoned by a brutal racist regime.

“But perhaps most impressive of all was his forgiveness towards those who had done such wrong. When he was finally released from Robben Island, he knew the right thing to do was not to be vengeful or cynical, but to look to the future, to built a more equal and just South Africa. His will for change and compassion are an example to us all.”

David Hando, a former Lib Dem councillor and honorary president of Newport County football club, told of how he stopped going to Newport rugby matches after it decided to tour South Africa.

“A group of us who were supporters wrote to the then match secretary RT Carter to ask if he would discuss this. He refused.

“I just stopped going,” he said, adding he later returned to Rodney Parade to march with Peter Hain when Newport hosted South Africa in 1969.

“We were asked by the people of South Africa to boycott everything. Sport, particularly rugby, was a very import matter to the apartheid regime,” said Mr Hando.

“Mandela was a hero of the people at the time. His work in reconciliation was an object lesson to us all.”

The Argus front page on the day of the demonstration against South Africa playing at Rodney Parade:

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Blaenau Gwent MP Nick Smith recounted his memory of when he saw the statesman speak in London during the 1990s.

He said: “I woke up this morning to the hugely sad news that this fantastic world leader had passed away.

“My personal memory is of Nelson Mandela speaking on the balcony of the South Africa High Commission outside Trafalgar Square in 1996.

“I remember holding my baby girl in my arms and being spellbound at his humility, humanity and hope for the future.

“South Africa is going through a difficult time at the moment. I hope his inspiration will help that country prosper in the future.”

Newport West MP Paul Flynn said: “He is the dominant politician of the last 100 years. He succeeded with intelligence, compromise and generosity. He is the epitome of all that is best in politics.”

Newport East AM John Griffiths, who is Wales’ culture minister, remembered how he would have debates with fruit and veg sellers in the open air market in Pill during the 1980s.

Anti-apartheid campaigners advocated a boycott of goods from South Africa, while nations around the world imposed economic sanctions on the country.

Mr Griffiths said: “I think we should remember that the anti-apartheid movement in Wales was very strong and also Wales was part of that international effort to bring about a free South Africa with a proper democracy.

“He was a hero right across the world. People were so incredibly impressed with his lack of bitterness after he was released from prison after 27 years.

“It was so good that he lived for so many years after his release, the fact that he lived to be the first president after free elections in South Africa.

Tory Newport council group leader Councillor Matthew Evans said he had “enormous respect and admiration for Nelson Mandela” who he said “always led by example”.

As a schoolboy in Caerphilly, Plaid Cymru AM for South Wales East Lindsay Whittle travelled to protest outside Rodney Parade when Newport hosted South Africa in 1969.

“As a 16-year-old I was opposed to apartheid, although I did not know of Nelson Mandela at that time,” he told the Argus.

“Myself and a friend hitched a lift from Caerphilly. We got a lift from Tony Lewis, the Glamorgan and England cricketer. He didn’t realise we were going to join the hundreds protesting rather than to watch the match. “Without Nelson Mandela’s influence, I hate to think what would have happened in South Africa when apartheid ended.

“He was a colossus who was jailed for what he passionately believed in and to show no bitterness after his release was awe-inspiring.”

“Though he lost 27 years of his life to imprisonment he gained immortality”.

Alun Davies, AM for Blaenau Gwent, said: “I was so sad to hear that Nelson Mandela has died. He led his country to freedom and was an inspiration to people across the world.

“I was an active anti-apartheid campaigner in the eighties and he was an inspiration to people across the world not only in his dignity but in his compassion and determination to heal the wounds of conflict.”

Caerphilly MP Wayne David said: "Sad that Nelson Mandela has passed away. But grateful for all he did for freedom and peace." He spoke of the "privilege" of having met him when he visited Cardiff.

Newport AM and Assembly presiding officer, Rosemary Butler, said flags would fly at half mast today and on the day of Mr Mandela's funeral.

She added: "These days we often apply the description great to people but Nelson Mandela truly was a great human being."

Mrs Uzo Iwobi OBE of Race Council Cymru paid this tribute to Nelson Mandela: "The sad passing of Nelson Mandela marks a moment for personal reflection on the huge personal impact he had on the fight to end oppression not just in his home nation of South Africa but around the world and here in Wales.

"Mr Mandela's indefatigable spirit and commitment to creating a more just, equal and fair society still has an impact in Wales today. Race Council Cymru is steadfast in its commitment to work towards a Welsh nation that is free from prejudice and racial discrimination."

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11:08am Fri 6 Dec 13

Mr Angry says...

David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's
David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's Mr Angry
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12:50pm Fri 6 Dec 13

whatintheworld says...

paul murphy talking about oppression and equality is laughable too.

he voted against the equal marriage act!
paul murphy talking about oppression and equality is laughable too. he voted against the equal marriage act! whatintheworld
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1:23pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Realist UK says...

Paul Murphy-
"spending 27 years unjustly imprisoned by a brutal racist regime".
He wasn't locked up for non payment of parking fines Mr Murphy. The South African regime may well have been racist but Mandela was responsible for the deaths of 156 innocents who were bombed and killed in the pursuance of his cause. Please be more balanced, as people under 40 years of age will continue to be brainwashed as history becomes whitewashed for political gain.
Paul Murphy- "spending 27 years unjustly imprisoned by a brutal racist regime". He wasn't locked up for non payment of parking fines Mr Murphy. The South African regime may well have been racist but Mandela was responsible for the deaths of 156 innocents who were bombed and killed in the pursuance of his cause. Please be more balanced, as people under 40 years of age will continue to be brainwashed as history becomes whitewashed for political gain. Realist UK
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1:24pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

"Newport West MP Paul Flynn said: “He is the dominant politician of the last 100 years. He succeeded with intelligence, compromise and generosity"

Hang on, Paul - I thought you just said he was a politician?;)
"Newport West MP Paul Flynn said: “He is the dominant politician of the last 100 years. He succeeded with intelligence, compromise and generosity" Hang on, Paul - I thought you just said he was a politician?;) Katie Re-Registered
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1:25pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

You have to admit though, the most dominant politician of the last 100 years was probably Adolf Hitler - and that's NOT a good thing!
You have to admit though, the most dominant politician of the last 100 years was probably Adolf Hitler - and that's NOT a good thing! Katie Re-Registered
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1:39pm Fri 6 Dec 13

endthelies says...

Realist UK wrote:
Paul Murphy-
"spending 27 years unjustly imprisoned by a brutal racist regime".
He wasn't locked up for non payment of parking fines Mr Murphy. The South African regime may well have been racist but Mandela was responsible for the deaths of 156 innocents who were bombed and killed in the pursuance of his cause. Please be more balanced, as people under 40 years of age will continue to be brainwashed as history becomes whitewashed for political gain.
And hundreds were killed under apartheid rule. Mandella was a man who would not be browbeaten by those who wanted him silenced. He always struck me as such a quiet and humble man, and he is a man who will never be forgotten. Rest in Peace.
[quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: Paul Murphy- "spending 27 years unjustly imprisoned by a brutal racist regime". He wasn't locked up for non payment of parking fines Mr Murphy. The South African regime may well have been racist but Mandela was responsible for the deaths of 156 innocents who were bombed and killed in the pursuance of his cause. Please be more balanced, as people under 40 years of age will continue to be brainwashed as history becomes whitewashed for political gain.[/p][/quote]And hundreds were killed under apartheid rule. Mandella was a man who would not be browbeaten by those who wanted him silenced. He always struck me as such a quiet and humble man, and he is a man who will never be forgotten. Rest in Peace. endthelies
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2:09pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Realist UK says...

endthelies wrote:
Realist UK wrote:
Paul Murphy-
"spending 27 years unjustly imprisoned by a brutal racist regime".
He wasn't locked up for non payment of parking fines Mr Murphy. The South African regime may well have been racist but Mandela was responsible for the deaths of 156 innocents who were bombed and killed in the pursuance of his cause. Please be more balanced, as people under 40 years of age will continue to be brainwashed as history becomes whitewashed for political gain.
And hundreds were killed under apartheid rule. Mandella was a man who would not be browbeaten by those who wanted him silenced. He always struck me as such a quiet and humble man, and he is a man who will never be forgotten. Rest in Peace.
Great theory, two wrongs obviously makes a right. Under 40 perchance?
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: Paul Murphy- "spending 27 years unjustly imprisoned by a brutal racist regime". He wasn't locked up for non payment of parking fines Mr Murphy. The South African regime may well have been racist but Mandela was responsible for the deaths of 156 innocents who were bombed and killed in the pursuance of his cause. Please be more balanced, as people under 40 years of age will continue to be brainwashed as history becomes whitewashed for political gain.[/p][/quote]And hundreds were killed under apartheid rule. Mandella was a man who would not be browbeaten by those who wanted him silenced. He always struck me as such a quiet and humble man, and he is a man who will never be forgotten. Rest in Peace.[/p][/quote]Great theory, two wrongs obviously makes a right. Under 40 perchance? Realist UK
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3:13pm Fri 6 Dec 13

endthelies says...

Nope 48 to be precise.
Nope 48 to be precise. endthelies
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3:30pm Fri 6 Dec 13

endthelies says...

A little quote which I think says it all.

"So maybe it is time to do away with the extreme labels, to recognise that Mandela was flawed like any of us, and fighting in a situation few of us can imagine. And while he may not have achieved perfection, he did what he saw was right at a time when almost every option would have horrific consequences. Rather than demand perfection and, due to a lack of it, refuse to even consider any positives maybe we should just applaud one man who stood up for what he saw as right and accept that in life, good comes with bad."
A little quote which I think says it all. "So maybe it is time to do away with the extreme labels, to recognise that Mandela was flawed like any of us, and fighting in a situation few of us can imagine. And while he may not have achieved perfection, he did what he saw was right at a time when almost every option would have horrific consequences. Rather than demand perfection and, due to a lack of it, refuse to even consider any positives maybe we should just applaud one man who stood up for what he saw as right and accept that in life, good comes with bad." endthelies
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6:09pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Mr Angry wrote:
David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's
Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's[/p][/quote]Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now. Llanmartinangel
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6:51pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Mr Angry says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's
Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now.
No cheap shot - the truth, Cameron was a member of the FCS (Federation of Conservative Students) who supported Mandelas execution. That is a fact
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's[/p][/quote]Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now.[/p][/quote]No cheap shot - the truth, Cameron was a member of the FCS (Federation of Conservative Students) who supported Mandelas execution. That is a fact Mr Angry
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9:30pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's
Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now.
No cheap shot - the truth, Cameron was a member of the FCS (Federation of Conservative Students) who supported Mandelas execution. That is a fact
I didn't deny that. Just said the reality was different then. Like after 9/11.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's[/p][/quote]Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now.[/p][/quote]No cheap shot - the truth, Cameron was a member of the FCS (Federation of Conservative Students) who supported Mandelas execution. That is a fact[/p][/quote]I didn't deny that. Just said the reality was different then. Like after 9/11. Llanmartinangel
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9:55pm Fri 6 Dec 13

welshmen says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's
Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now.
No cheap shot - the truth, Cameron was a member of the FCS (Federation of Conservative Students) who supported Mandelas execution. That is a fact
Cameron is also a signatory of the UAF Fascist Soap Dodgers, what did Mandela, Gerry Adams, and Martin Mcguinness have in common, they all got their political power through Terrorism having killed hundreds of innocent people, yet a soldier fighting in an illegal war for this Country and killed one insurgent is brought to Court by the CPS and sentenced to life by a civilian Judge not a Military Court....
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's[/p][/quote]Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now.[/p][/quote]No cheap shot - the truth, Cameron was a member of the FCS (Federation of Conservative Students) who supported Mandelas execution. That is a fact[/p][/quote]Cameron is also a signatory of the UAF Fascist Soap Dodgers, what did Mandela, Gerry Adams, and Martin Mcguinness have in common, they all got their political power through Terrorism having killed hundreds of innocent people, yet a soldier fighting in an illegal war for this Country and killed one insurgent is brought to Court by the CPS and sentenced to life by a civilian Judge not a Military Court.... welshmen
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10:01am Sat 7 Dec 13

no justice says...

welshmen wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote: David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's
Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now.
No cheap shot - the truth, Cameron was a member of the FCS (Federation of Conservative Students) who supported Mandelas execution. That is a fact
Cameron is also a signatory of the UAF Fascist Soap Dodgers, what did Mandela, Gerry Adams, and Martin Mcguinness have in common, they all got their political power through Terrorism having killed hundreds of innocent people, yet a soldier fighting in an illegal war for this Country and killed one insurgent is brought to Court by the CPS and sentenced to life by a civilian Judge not a Military Court....
Yes well said , i am really annoyed that children are having their heads filled with rubbish about nicey nicey Mandela when this person was the head of The Terrorist group the Anc which carried out bombings that killed many people including woman and children.!!!!!!!!!!!
!!
How sick are we?
I for one will not celibrate the life of a terrorist.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's[/p][/quote]Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now.[/p][/quote]No cheap shot - the truth, Cameron was a member of the FCS (Federation of Conservative Students) who supported Mandelas execution. That is a fact[/p][/quote]Cameron is also a signatory of the UAF Fascist Soap Dodgers, what did Mandela, Gerry Adams, and Martin Mcguinness have in common, they all got their political power through Terrorism having killed hundreds of innocent people, yet a soldier fighting in an illegal war for this Country and killed one insurgent is brought to Court by the CPS and sentenced to life by a civilian Judge not a Military Court....[/p][/quote]Yes well said , i am really annoyed that children are having their heads filled with rubbish about nicey nicey Mandela when this person was the head of The Terrorist group the Anc which carried out bombings that killed many people including woman and children.!!!!!!!!!!! !! How sick are we? I for one will not celibrate the life of a terrorist. no justice
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10:28am Sat 7 Dec 13

BernardCCC says...

What makes a terrorist! I'm with Mandela!
What makes a terrorist! I'm with Mandela! BernardCCC
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10:46am Sat 7 Dec 13

Mr Angry says...

Cameron issued a lavish tribute, describing Mandela as "a towering figure in our time; a legend in life and now in death – a true global hero".

The praise was in stark contrast to the view taken by Cameron's predecessor and another of his heroes, Margaret Thatcher, who described the African National Congress as "a typical terrorist organisation" and fiercely opposed sanctions against the apartheid regime. Her South Africa policy was in personal: her husband, Denis, had extensive business interests in the country.

Slimy Cameron was just jumping on a bandwagon.

A leopard never changes its spots
Cameron issued a lavish tribute, describing Mandela as "a towering figure in our time; a legend in life and now in death – a true global hero". The praise was in stark contrast to the view taken by Cameron's predecessor and another of his heroes, Margaret Thatcher, who described the African National Congress as "a typical terrorist organisation" and fiercely opposed sanctions against the apartheid regime. Her South Africa policy was in personal: her husband, Denis, had extensive business interests in the country. Slimy Cameron was just jumping on a bandwagon. A leopard never changes its spots Mr Angry
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2:52pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Petrus Barba says...

no justice wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote: David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's
Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now.
No cheap shot - the truth, Cameron was a member of the FCS (Federation of Conservative Students) who supported Mandelas execution. That is a fact
Cameron is also a signatory of the UAF Fascist Soap Dodgers, what did Mandela, Gerry Adams, and Martin Mcguinness have in common, they all got their political power through Terrorism having killed hundreds of innocent people, yet a soldier fighting in an illegal war for this Country and killed one insurgent is brought to Court by the CPS and sentenced to life by a civilian Judge not a Military Court....
Yes well said , i am really annoyed that children are having their heads filled with rubbish about nicey nicey Mandela when this person was the head of The Terrorist group the Anc which carried out bombings that killed many people including woman and children.!!!!!!!!!!!

!!
How sick are we?
I for one will not celibrate the life of a terrorist.
"i am really annoyed that children are having their heads filled with rubbish about nicey nicey Mandela when this person was the head of The Terrorist group the Anc which carried out bombings that killed many people including woman and children.!!!!!!!!!!! !! How sick are we? I for one will not celibrate the life of a terrorist.".........
Wasn't the mantra of the ANC, "Rape a white woman. Kill a white child"?
[quote][p][bold]no justice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: David Cameron's tribute seems a bit hollow, considering he was involved in the production of 'Hang Mandela' t shirts back in the 80's[/p][/quote]Cheap shot. Even today, there is huge support for capital punishment for terrorists who slaughter innocent people for even the most laudable political aim. Several conservative politicians were killed by the IRA. It was only in later years that Mandella became a great statesman which it is right to recognise now.[/p][/quote]No cheap shot - the truth, Cameron was a member of the FCS (Federation of Conservative Students) who supported Mandelas execution. That is a fact[/p][/quote]Cameron is also a signatory of the UAF Fascist Soap Dodgers, what did Mandela, Gerry Adams, and Martin Mcguinness have in common, they all got their political power through Terrorism having killed hundreds of innocent people, yet a soldier fighting in an illegal war for this Country and killed one insurgent is brought to Court by the CPS and sentenced to life by a civilian Judge not a Military Court....[/p][/quote]Yes well said , i am really annoyed that children are having their heads filled with rubbish about nicey nicey Mandela when this person was the head of The Terrorist group the Anc which carried out bombings that killed many people including woman and children.!!!!!!!!!!! !! How sick are we? I for one will not celibrate the life of a terrorist.[/p][/quote]"i am really annoyed that children are having their heads filled with rubbish about nicey nicey Mandela when this person was the head of The Terrorist group the Anc which carried out bombings that killed many people including woman and children.!!!!!!!!!!! !! How sick are we? I for one will not celibrate the life of a terrorist."......... Wasn't the mantra of the ANC, "Rape a white woman. Kill a white child"? Petrus Barba
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5:11pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Cameron issued a lavish tribute, describing Mandela as "a towering figure in our time; a legend in life and now in death – a true global hero".

The praise was in stark contrast to the view taken by Cameron's predecessor and another of his heroes, Margaret Thatcher, who described the African National Congress as "a typical terrorist organisation" and fiercely opposed sanctions against the apartheid regime. Her South Africa policy was in personal: her husband, Denis, had extensive business interests in the country.

Slimy Cameron was just jumping on a bandwagon.

A leopard never changes its spots
Margaret Thatcher was factually accurate. The ANC were as adept at killing innocent people as the IRA. Ironic isn't it that many mourning this one time purveyor of indiscriminate death were the same people who probably muttered 'ah good job' when the US Special Forces took out Bin Laden or when the SAS killed some Irish Republican bombers in Gibraltar. Mandela had some road to Damascus conversion to peace which I guess Cameron believed genuine, as most of us do but his Irish counterparts just became insincere politicos or, like the guy who blew up Mountbatten and his family, made money doing the speech circuit.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Cameron issued a lavish tribute, describing Mandela as "a towering figure in our time; a legend in life and now in death – a true global hero". The praise was in stark contrast to the view taken by Cameron's predecessor and another of his heroes, Margaret Thatcher, who described the African National Congress as "a typical terrorist organisation" and fiercely opposed sanctions against the apartheid regime. Her South Africa policy was in personal: her husband, Denis, had extensive business interests in the country. Slimy Cameron was just jumping on a bandwagon. A leopard never changes its spots[/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher was factually accurate. The ANC were as adept at killing innocent people as the IRA. Ironic isn't it that many mourning this one time purveyor of indiscriminate death were the same people who probably muttered 'ah good job' when the US Special Forces took out Bin Laden or when the SAS killed some Irish Republican bombers in Gibraltar. Mandela had some road to Damascus conversion to peace which I guess Cameron believed genuine, as most of us do but his Irish counterparts just became insincere politicos or, like the guy who blew up Mountbatten and his family, made money doing the speech circuit. Llanmartinangel
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5:47pm Sat 7 Dec 13

endthelies says...

I don't agree with killing by any 'sides' but peaceful demonstrators in South Africa were killed by the apartheid regime. The black people were being maimed and slaughtered because they wanted freedom and not slavery. At what point, when peaceful demonstrations haven't worked, do you fight fire with fire. I do believe that Nelson learned that violence was not the answer. I did not live in South Africa and did not live through the terrible apartheid regime. But I do believe that Nelson, in time, came to symbolise peace. He was no saint and I wouldn't put him on a pedestal but he lived for 95 years and attitudes and people change over nearly a century of learning.
I don't agree with killing by any 'sides' but peaceful demonstrators in South Africa were killed by the apartheid regime. The black people were being maimed and slaughtered because they wanted freedom and not slavery. At what point, when peaceful demonstrations haven't worked, do you fight fire with fire. I do believe that Nelson learned that violence was not the answer. I did not live in South Africa and did not live through the terrible apartheid regime. But I do believe that Nelson, in time, came to symbolise peace. He was no saint and I wouldn't put him on a pedestal but he lived for 95 years and attitudes and people change over nearly a century of learning. endthelies
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8:14pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Mr Angry says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Cameron issued a lavish tribute, describing Mandela as "a towering figure in our time; a legend in life and now in death – a true global hero".

The praise was in stark contrast to the view taken by Cameron's predecessor and another of his heroes, Margaret Thatcher, who described the African National Congress as "a typical terrorist organisation" and fiercely opposed sanctions against the apartheid regime. Her South Africa policy was in personal: her husband, Denis, had extensive business interests in the country.

Slimy Cameron was just jumping on a bandwagon.

A leopard never changes its spots
Margaret Thatcher was factually accurate. The ANC were as adept at killing innocent people as the IRA. Ironic isn't it that many mourning this one time purveyor of indiscriminate death were the same people who probably muttered 'ah good job' when the US Special Forces took out Bin Laden or when the SAS killed some Irish Republican bombers in Gibraltar. Mandela had some road to Damascus conversion to peace which I guess Cameron believed genuine, as most of us do but his Irish counterparts just became insincere politicos or, like the guy who blew up Mountbatten and his family, made money doing the speech circuit.
Thatchers only concern about South Africa were Denis' business intrests there.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Cameron issued a lavish tribute, describing Mandela as "a towering figure in our time; a legend in life and now in death – a true global hero". The praise was in stark contrast to the view taken by Cameron's predecessor and another of his heroes, Margaret Thatcher, who described the African National Congress as "a typical terrorist organisation" and fiercely opposed sanctions against the apartheid regime. Her South Africa policy was in personal: her husband, Denis, had extensive business interests in the country. Slimy Cameron was just jumping on a bandwagon. A leopard never changes its spots[/p][/quote]Margaret Thatcher was factually accurate. The ANC were as adept at killing innocent people as the IRA. Ironic isn't it that many mourning this one time purveyor of indiscriminate death were the same people who probably muttered 'ah good job' when the US Special Forces took out Bin Laden or when the SAS killed some Irish Republican bombers in Gibraltar. Mandela had some road to Damascus conversion to peace which I guess Cameron believed genuine, as most of us do but his Irish counterparts just became insincere politicos or, like the guy who blew up Mountbatten and his family, made money doing the speech circuit.[/p][/quote]Thatchers only concern about South Africa were Denis' business intrests there. Mr Angry
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